"The Grey"

[draggar]

This is quite scary that a large Hollywood production can get away with this.

Staff from the movie, "The Grey" confirmed that they hired a professional trapper and trapped four wild wolves to be used in the movie. Two of which were killed and eaten by the cast - some of these may have been in the film. The fate of the other two is unclear since the staff refused to answer any questions about them.

There is no listing of animal trainers, handlers, or wranglers in the film which supports the claim that they used wild animals nor can I find any evidence of a Humane Society rep on the set to make sure the animals were treated well.

http://wolfwatcher.org/news/wolfwatc...insiders-look/

There is no way I am going to watch this snuff film. If I want to see wolves in a suspense / action film this weekend I'll go watch Underworld.

[Boozy]

I'm assuming you're a vegetarian?

[AdminAssistant]

According to this link, the wolf they ate was frozen and in someone's freezer.

The question of how live animals were treated on set is a valid one. But if wolves aren't an endangered species, and if one is dead anyway, then you might as well eat it.

[Lace Neil Singer]

What I hate about the film is a) that it appears to be a copy of "Alive" with some wolves thrown in and b) Wolves don't generally act like that. Wolves are beautiful animals and I hate to see them demonised in film.

[Dreamstalker]

Agreed. Wolves serve a purpose; it's sad how people forget that.

There's actually a petition going around about the movie; I now have zero desire to see it (from the original trailers I thought it was a werewolf movie, now I see they've changed it to include wolves).

www.thepetitionsite.com/40/boycott-the-grey/

Mom says that Liam Neeson has gone off the rails as of late.

[draggar]

I'm assuming you're a vegetarian?

Nope, far from it but that is also not the point. They trapped 4 wild animals (and no one is answering how they were treated) for "entertainment".

Many movies and shows have used real wolves - the Twilight Series, True Blood, The Day After Tomorrow (real wolves that were CGI'd over), Once Upon a Time, and Dances with Wolves just to name a few.

According to this link, the wolf they ate was frozen and in someone's freezer.

The question of how live animals were treated on set is a valid one. But if wolves aren't an endangered species, and if one is dead anyway, then you might as well eat it.

These are the questions that they are refusing to answer - they had no trainers, handlers, or wranglers on the set nor did they have a Humane society rep on set to make sure the animal were treated well.

But, in a letter Wolfwatcher got from Joe Carnahan he confirmed that two of the wolves that were trapped were eaten.

You also have to give into common sense - they hired a trapper to trap 4 wolves for them, do you really think a trapper (who makes money off of trapping animals) was oging to just let them go afterwards?

What I hate about the film is a) that it appears to be a copy of "Alive" with some wolves thrown in and b) Wolves don't generally act like that. Wolves are beautiful animals and I hate to see them demonised in film.

Wolfwatcher was appauled when they saw their sneek-peak copy. It is far worse than anyone could have imagined. It's also disturbing that their publicist asked if they could have OR-7 for the premier in LA. What? Sure, let's go after another wolf animal!

If you want to watch a movie with wolves in it this weekend, go see Underworld.

Agreed. Wolves serve a purpose; it's sad how people forget that.

There's actually a petition going around about the movie; I now have zero desire to see it (from the original trailers I thought it was a werewolf movie, now I see they've changed it to include wolves).

www.thepetitionsite.com/40/boycott-the-grey/

Mom says that Liam Neeson has gone off the rails as of late.

I had no intentions of seeing it from the start but seeing how things have turned for the film it is disgusting and clearly 100% propoganda.

[Rageaholic]

I remember seeing an ad for that movie on youtube. It looked interesting at first, but when the wolves came I was laughing at how stupid it looked.

They're in sub zero tempurature and wolves are their greatest threat? Seriously?!

[AdminAssistant]

I had no intentions of seeing it from the start but seeing how things have turned for the film it is disgusting and clearly 100% propoganda.

I think you're right to have concerns about the welfare of the animals during filming and all that. But propaganda? For what? The idea that wolves are dangerous carnivores? That's true. Yes, they're beautiful and magnificent and pack-oriented and all that happy stuff. But they're also among the creatures that sit above us on the food chain.

Besides, it's a movie, not a documentary.

[draggar]

I think you're right to have concerns about the welfare of the animals during filming and all that. But propaganda? For what? The idea that wolves are dangerous carnivores? That's true. Yes, they're beautiful and magnificent and pack-oriented and all that happy stuff. But they're also among the creatures that sit above us on the food chain.

Besides, it's a movie, not a documentary.

Cattlemen's associations (backed by us consumers) and hunter groups (backed by NRA etc.) are calling for the elimination of wolves because they claim it interferes with what they want to do.

Cattle rancher associations claim that wolves are a major source of their losses yet predation overall is responsible for 5%-6% of losses (according to the USDA) and wolves are about 8% of the predation (meaning about .1% of total losses). Vultures killed more cattle than wolves did and over 70% of losses were due to genetic issues (metabolic, birthing, respiratory, digestive, etc..).

But - there are a few ranchers who do employ anti-predation (and I don't mean a few feet of fladry) and do not have a problem with wolves.

Hunters claim wolves are killing all the game that they want to kill - some even have made claims that elk are now extinct (huh?).

But - there are a few "rogue" hunters who agree that wolves are good for a healthy ecosystem and actually make herds of game healthier.

This is a very harsh debate going on (some pro-wolf politicians have been killed over this in other countries).

Add in the recent (unconstitutional, IMO) rider added into the budget last fall that allowed states to delist wolves from the endangered species act and now states like Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming have called for an open season to kill wolves (Idaho has sold thousands of tags to kill a few hundred wolves - huh?) - some have even called for "denning" of wolves and to continue the hunt into mating season. There have been further attempts that were shot down - i know more will be made.

IMO this film looks like it was thrown together (rushed?) to get it out quickly - right in the middle of the hunt.

Now, for the political aspect of it. You have two sides -

The anti-wolf side funded by Cattlemen's and Rancher's associations, "tag" sales, and well funded organizations like the NRA. They can easily fund candidates's campaigns who are also against the wolves.

The pro-wolf side consists of smaller conservationist organizations (and I mean ones that actually try to work - not big name ones that push out a shot video complaining and then insist on donations) who have very little money and spend it where it is needed and can't afford to donate to campaigns to get candidates that support thier side into office.

[Ginger Tea]

I was in a rush to go to work when I first read the OP link, I might have missread it, or they said out right that as a wolf was eaten during the production of the movie that they would not watch it to see if it was on screen or not.

So I was thinking at work, a man with a live chicken, head on the block. camera pans up/away as the cleaver comes down, cut to cooked chicken being served to actors in scene.
The AHA might not allow it to be filmed, or the chicken not harmed in the scene, but the same chicken killed plucked and stuffed and served up for the next scene is no real fowl (sorry couldnt resist).

Oh, but thats a chicken and this is a wolf.
Yes in the west eating dog's wild wolves or corgie's not a done thing, but a film on location with dog on the menu might show caged dogs on street markets destined to be in a resturant and it may even end up on screen on someones plate and fork.

I don't like the idea of eating a wolf or a dog, Tigers other big cats or plain old moggie, no thank you, nor do I want to see harm on screen to one.
I almost didn't watch Untraceable as the opening scene was of a kitten being tourtured, or atleast the set up of and then the rest implied and a kittie corpse found later.
I really loathed the Seargent or whatever in dog soldiers (almost the actor himself) when he told the trainee to the SAS or whatever he was flunking, should have shot the dog to stop it barking.
In a training mission you use blanks and non leathal force on your opponants, but killing a dog is ok even for an exercise.

I'd rather barbarically skin and tourture a human than have to harm a dog unless it was a real life or death for me.

Now about the head being tossed, not checked the link that says it was a frozen, perhaps from a cull, but if they knew they needed a prop head and found a supplier of real animal parts instead of movie magicing it, well is it illigal, unethical maybe, but if wolf culls are leagal in some states, is there a rule forbidding what is done to the corpse?

Fox hunting, fox bing a dog and all that.
If they banned fox hunts in the UK as they table every odd year, sadly foxes would still be culled, more get culled without the pomp of hunts, no foxes would be saved ending the blood sport.
Infact more fox hounds would be put down as they are not really family pets and probably would have little regard about mauling your todler if it decided to play rough.

I say cull if need be, just don't fox hunt.
Release a peodophile into the woods and have him/her hunted and killed by a pack for the hooray henery's on horseback.

[BlaqueKatt]

Staff from the movie, "The Grey" confirmed that they hired a professional trapper and trapped four wild wolves to be used in the movie. Two of which were killed and eaten by the cast - some of these may have been in the film. The fate of the other two is unclear since the staff refused to answer any questions about them.

There is no listing of animal trainers, handlers, or wranglers in the film

5 seconds on google

Gerry Thierien of Action Animals was in charge of overseeing the actual(trained) wolves.

reports surfacing that the director Joe Carnahan contacted a trapper for four wolves,

not confirmed reports, or staff confirming, and I found this article.

None of the crew members were given the task of hunting said wolf. Instead, they happened to find a guy who had one stored in his freezer.

"Some guy had him in his basement. I don't know if it was a trap line wolf but it was a wolf that had been up to a misdeed of some sort," Carnahan said. "They were preying on cattle. We asked if there was one we could eat and sure enough this guy had one in his freezer for six months

and this one

Carnahan smartly used CGI as an adjunct to various other systems, such as giant puppet animatronics and trained live animals.

I don't like the movie's premise, but I'm not about to spread half-truths, misinformation, and outright lies about it.

and if you're concerned-here's a "training sequence" from the film, the guy being "attacked" is none other than Gerry Thierien's brother Luc.


I also find it interesting that this movie is getting people up in arms because of the way it depicts wolves that are simply defending their territory, but no one batted an eye at say arachnaphobia(which used endangered spiders), shark night(when 64 species of shark are in danger of extinction), or anaconda(anacondas are on the CITIES list), piranha(there has NEVER been a human killed by a piranha), nope they aren't similar to animals we cuddle with so not worthy of saving

[Ginger Tea]

It is a case of googie NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If it was a bear movie ...

[Lace Neil Singer]

Excuse me, but I was upset at Jaws cuz of it being unrealistic about sharks; however, the internet didn't exist back then, so no-one really paid any attention. -.- And who are you to say that sharks aren't cuddly?

[Bloodsoul]

Who wants to watch "Cannibal Holocaust?" =D

[Ginger Tea]

I still havn't gotten round to the talking vagina trilogy to start work on tracking down the Canibal movies reviewed by Cinema Snob.

My amazon wish list would be rather dubious if I set one up

And no I will not be watching ET the porno or any other films on ET week
Fuck. That. Shit.

...

But yeah jaws really maligned sharks of all kinds not just great whites, hell they still get the monster tag in movies (or the lab treatment, 'Peter Benchley's "shark"' I'm looking at you, more than sharktopus)