Father Teaches Daughter Lesson About Facebook

[jackfaire]

Somehow I get the feeling that someone who shoots up a laptop wouldn't care what the CPS does.

Nor would anything in the letter itself make CPS think she was being abused since the closest she comes to accusing them of abuse is saying they make her go get things for them instead of doing it themselves which they probably do but CPS would back up the parents on that one.

The only part of this whole situation that would have CPS showing up on the doorstep is the video of him shooting her computer.

[Gravekeeper]

Facebook owns every single thing you put on that website. Every status update, every note, every picture belongs to facebook. And it's all available to whoever wants to purchase it (Ad companies, the police, etc.) Think you can't be searched because you have it "private"?

What the hell does that have to do with this? I'm well aware of Facebook's shitty user agreement and general design flaws. But that has nothing to do with this topic and changing the subject to that in no way supports your argument.

[Greenday]

What the hell does that have to do with this? I'm well aware of Facebook's shitty user agreement and general design flaws. But that has nothing to do with this topic and changing the subject to that in no way supports your argument.

Because it shows how "private" information isn't private at all.

[jackfaire]

Because it shows how "private" information isn't private at all.

The only truly private information is that which lives only in our own heads. The instant you express it outside of your mind then it has the potential to become public so if we are arguing that the problem is she posted on Facebook then we are back to arguing that she should not have expressed the opinion in any forum as all have potential to become public.

She could have written it in a journal in her room kept under her bed and her dad still would have punished her when he snooped for found it and read it.

Said it to her friends in a closed door session and dad overhears. Punished.

Spoken in her dreams while talking in her sleep and dad happens to be checking on her. Punished.

The only safe thing for this girl is to smile grin and pretend she never gets mad at her parents until she graduates and can get the hell out of there.

[Greenday]

She could have written it in a journal in her room kept under her bed and her dad still would have punished her when he snooped for found it and read it.

Said it to her friends in a closed door session and dad overhears. Punished.

Spoken in her dreams while talking in her sleep and dad happens to be checking on her. Punished.

Prove it. She was punished for publishing it in a permanent way where anyone who had the real desire to see it could. Not one of the ways you mentioned could nearly as easily have gotten anyone in trouble.

[jackfaire]

Prove it. She was punished for publishing it in a permanent way where anyone who had the real desire to see it could. Not one of the ways you mentioned could nearly as easily have gotten anyone in trouble.

The fact that never at any point in the video does he say it's the fact she published it on Facebook is the reason she is in trouble. It is the fact she said it.

Which means that the venue only mattered in that he mocked them for "thinking they were being clever"

He was clearly punishing her for having given voice to her complaints in the first place.

His focus throughout the video was continually about what she said and not where she said it.

If he had been upset about where she said it more than what she said then he would have been going on about the dangers of Facebook and how there are more appropriate forums for her rant.

I spent a lot of my teen years on the internet and had similar situations where my dad a software engineer would find that I had complained about him and my mom online or various other things in my life. He never told me not to complain he simply educated me not to complain online because I might give away personal details that would allow people to hurt me.

He bought me a journal as a more appropriate forum to vent instead of punishing me for venting.

[KnitShoni]

Jack...the entire point of the video was that she posted this crap on facebook more than once. You might have missed it, but he said it.

[DrFaroohk]

All I can say in closing is that I wish I was a child again, a little ballsier, and ran into this situation myself, and I'm sure dad would get the hint after I showed him I could *always* raise the stakes higher than him. Shoot my laptop for something that's his own damn fault? Hmmm, ok. What was that, dad? Oh wow, the dead body of the bully who terrorizes me happened to wind up in your truck? And the POLICE found it? Sucks to be you. But what do I know, I'm just a spoiled little kid! Thanks daddy!

I am a firm believer than when people abuse their authority and act without reason, they forfeit ALL rights that would normally protect them...from me.

[draco664]

The teen sounded like a spoiled, obnoxious brat, but I am a firm believer that their behaviour as they grow is a reflection of the parenting they have been given.

An interesting hypothesis. And easy to prove or disprove. Are the siblings of every family all alike?

Not in my experience.

Mind you, that attitude seems very prevalent, especially among those who are not parents.

Sorry, but I've seen too many siblings who are complete opposites. Heck, I know a set of identical twins, one of whom is a complete bastard, the other is one of the nicest guys I know.

I think that their behaviour as they grow is more a reflection of the difference between the company they keep outside of the family and then what happens inside it.

[AdminAssistant]

You're assuming, draco, that all parents treat all their children the same.

[draco664]

Saw this, and couldn't resist adding it to the thread.

[draco664]

You're assuming, draco, that all parents treat all their children the same.

Oh, I know they don't. I don't treat my daughters the same. One is autistic and needs a different parenting style. I have to make do with trying to ensure they have equal opportunities and equal time with me.

I'm reading a book now about someone who grew up with Asberger's before there was a diagnosis for it. His brother wrote the foreword to the book, and noted that they were brought up by 'different' parents. The elder was brought up by a happy, optimistic couple, and the younger raised by a bitter, downtrodden pair going through divorce and dealing with substance abuse.

But thinking that the way someone turns out is solely (or even mostly) due to the way they were parented, when there are myriad other factors to consider (genetic, medical, social, educational, etc), is simplistic at best.

[HYHYBT]

Not one of the ways you mentioned could nearly as easily have gotten anyone in trouble.

"Nearly as easily," meaning it's a matter of degree at most, not a categorical difference.

[jackfaire]

Jack...the entire point of the video was that she posted this crap on facebook more than once. You might have missed it, but he said it.

Oh no see I caught it but I also caught that it was an off hand remark. It wasn't the thesis statement of his rant. It wasn't the point he was driving at. The thesis statement was that she is a spoiled brat who needs to be grateful to have it so well so shut up.

I can say "Mr. Boddy is a horrible person" but if I then spend the whole time talking about how shitty his mansion is then the rant is about how shitty his mansion is not whether or not I think he is a horrible person.

[Gravekeeper]

Because it shows how "private" information isn't private at all.

In a manner that has no bearing on your argument. You're arguing that something intended to be private isn't private if you jump through this series of hoops and thus cannot be considered private. Using that criteria there is no such thing as privacy.

Its like arguing what you do in your own home can't be considered private because someone could be peering through your blinds.