Spanking children

[AFPheonix]

Even beyond being a shitty parent or not, there's still more than one way to go around things. Saying that all parents should spank is as wrong as saying no parents should spank.
Each parent should be able to do whatever is necessary and right and humane to enforce discipline. A simple spanking falls in those boundaries. So does not spanking and using another method to motivate the child. I know quite a few kids who are not motivated by a pain response, and the parent has to outwit their kid and think of another way.

[Zyanya]

He's trying to point out that there are other opinions out there besides yours, and that other opinions besides yours or the ones you deem worthy are valid.

Sorry, but I find those who bring horrific child abuse cases into a thread about spanking about on the same level as those that bring bestiality into a thread about gay marriage.

[the_std]

The point made by the child abuse cases is that some people think that this is okay as a form of punishment. Oh, yeah, they probably have other motives too, but there are people out there that think this abuse is an effective way to punish their kid.

That is their opinion, and it's relevant to the subject.

[Zyanya]

The point made by the child abuse cases is that some people think that this is okay as a form of punishment. Oh, yeah, they probably have other motives too, but there are people out there that think this abuse is an effective way to punish their kid.

The point made is that some people get hard-ons at the thought of banging a goat and think that sort of 'deviant' activity is okay.

It's their opinion, but as it is a wholly different action undertaken by sick, twisted individuals and not what we are discussing here, it's not relevant to the discussion.

Thus, child abuse should not be brought into a conversation about spanking anymore than bestiality, molestation, and incest should be brought into a conversation about gay marriage. This is the last time I will say this.

[Boozy]

I think crazylegs introduced those stories of abuse for a specific reason; we were under the impression that you felt that parents have a more valid opinion on the subject than non-parents. crazylegs was simply pointing out that just because someone has children doesn't mean they have better judgment than those who don't.

You've refuted that point, I believe.

I don't see where anyone has actually compared spanking to child abuse; I only see where you have inferred that. crazylegs is actually for spanking.

I'm one of the few who's against it, but even I don't think it's abusive. I don't plan to spank my children, but I'm not going to sit in judgment of others who do.

[crazylegs]

I think crazylegs introduced those stories of abuse for a specific reason; we were under the impression that you felt that parents have a more valid opinion on the subject than non-parents. crazylegs was simply pointing out that just because someone has children doesn't mean they have better judgment than those who don't.

You've refuted that point, I believe.

I don't see where anyone has actually compared spanking to child abuse; I only see where you have inferred that. crazylegs is actually for spanking.

Quoted for the simple reason that it is entirely correct however (due to my own fault) I hadn't seen the part where you refuted the point.

[Boozy]

Quoted for the simple reason that it is entirely correct however (due to my own fault) I hadn't seen the part where you refuted the point.

Oops - you're right, crazylegs. I should have said that Zyanya has addressed that point. I don't think it's necessarily been refuted either.

[Zyanya]

we were under the impression that you felt that parents have a more valid opinion on the subject than non-parents.

I am, and they are.

However, part of being a parent is being responsible for the wellbeing of a child.

Those people are not parents. Breeders is a better term.