Women Raping Men

[Greenday]

How nice of Pedersen to suggest a thread like this. Sorry for stealing your idea.

I for one think it's very possible to do. Two words: morning wood. You go to sleep and wake up with a hard-on. You don't wake up, then get one. You wake up with one. This means that it's possible to have one while sleeping. How about a spiked drink with a roofie/viagra combo? Or what about getting some guy really drunk who had no intentions of doing anything when he was sober? I mean, if it's rape when a guy gets a girl drunk to have sex with her, why isn't the reverse true?

I have a friend who goes to college in Boston. He was telling me about how there's quite a few guys who have been knocked out with roofies or something and were raped, then, when they went to police, the cops blew them off, saying guys can't be raped because they have to want it to have sex. And then if the girl gets pregnant, the guy is totally screwed (figuratively and literally) and might be stuck paying the girl for 18-22 years for raping him. How fair is that kind of crap?

[Pedersen]

How nice of Pedersen to suggest a thread like this. Sorry for stealing your idea.

You're welcome. And don't apologize. It makes for a decent thread.

I for one think it's very possible to do. Two words: morning wood. You go to sleep and wake up with a hard-on. You don't wake up, then get one. You wake up with one. This means that it's possible to have one while sleeping.

Absolutely it's possible. Simple fact that women like to laugh about: The penis has a mind of its own. The guy can be totally turned off by a given woman. However, if she has physical access, physical control over the situation, and even mild sexual skill, she can give him an erection (either through oral sex or manipulation from her hands).

This is purely a biological reaction. It has nothing to do with the brain, nothing to do with attraction. Attraction makes it easier. Desire makes it easier. But even absolute loathing does not prevent it.

So yes, this sort of rape is very possible. However, it will take several acts of god to make such a charge stick, because too many people believe the guy has to want it (and, what's more, that he does want it from any woman he can find).

And then if the girl gets pregnant, the guy is totally screwed (figuratively and literally) and might be stuck paying the girl for 18-22 years for raping him. How fair is that kind of crap?

It's not. The problem, though, is proving it. And proving, in this case, means a guy proving to a jury that he did not want to have sex after putting himself in a location where it is reasonable to believe he would have a) been able to find sex and b) likely not have gone if he wasn't after sex.

Convincing a jury of that will be, at best, difficult. No, it's not right, it's just what is.

[Norton]

I absolutely believe that it's possible for a woman to rape a man, and probably happens more often than any of us realize. It's probably woefully under-reported out of embarrassment, and out of fear of not being believed.

It's not right. Any kind of rape isn't right, whether the victim is male or female.

Or what about getting some guy really drunk who had no intentions of doing anything when he was sober? I mean, if it's rape when a guy gets a girl drunk to have sex with her, why isn't the reverse true?

I've always believed that once someone makes the decision to become impaired, they should be liable for whatever action they take while impaired. If at the beginning of the night while sober, the person says "no", then later after several drinks says "yes", I feel that counts as consent - sure, it was the alcohol that changed their mind, but they made a conscious decision to drink in the first place. The only exceptions would be if the person was forced into drinking, or slipped a drug without their knowledge or permission. I think too many people - both men and women - use alcohol as an excuse for sleeping with someone they normally wouldn't, and some are so embarrassed once they sober up again that false rape accusations are made. To me, "but I was drunk!" is a sorry excuse. Of course, if an intoxicated person says "no", that should be respected.

[Greenday]

I've always believed that once someone makes the decision to become impaired, they should be liable for whatever action they take while impaired. If at the beginning of the night while sober, the person says "no", then later after several drinks says "yes", I feel that counts as consent - sure, it was the alcohol that changed their mind, but they made a conscious decision to drink in the first place.

As long as that goes for both ladies and gents, I'll agree to that. Being drunk is not an excuse. As far as my experiences being drunk, and my experiences being around drunk people (which, being in college, is A LOT), I've realized that people know full well what they are doing what they are doing while drunk, and later on only use being drunk as an excuse as for why they did what they did. Maybe I'm just different in that the only thing that changes about me when I become drunk is that physically I lose some coordination. But one thing is for certain, my thinking is clear as hell. But I find it too hard to believe that after a few drinks, you have no control over your thought processes.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I believe I mentioned this on another thread in here somewhere; I will repeat what I said. Guys get a hard on while being executed; so it's true that you don't need to be turned on to go hard. Second, I'm sorry if this sounds disgusting, but it still counts as rape if penetration is achieved using an instrument. For example, a woman who drugs her male victim and uses a vibrator on him. Still counts. There are also cases of young boys being raped by female pedophiles. It's true that female on male rape is woefully unreported; just like male on male. A lot of men would be ashamed to come forward and report that they'd been overpowered and humilated in that way.

[Greenday]

Second, I'm sorry if this sounds disgusting, but it still counts as rape if penetration is achieved using an instrument.

I thought about that, and I agree, but I didn't post anything about it because it's slightly different. It seems like it's a lot more understandable that that could be forced on someone. I mean, you can't really argue that it's not rape if a guy is tied down or knocked out and has stuff shoved inside him. But seeing as guys have to be aroused to have regular sex, that means they always want it.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Yeah, cuz of course every single guy having an execution has sex on his mind! -.- Or fast asleep; yup, he's thinking about sex. Even a natural death can cause an erection.

[IDrinkaRum]

I remember back in the 80's on the show, "Too Close for Comfort", Jim J. Bullock's character was raped by 2 females. It was an interesting episode, and one I haven't seen repeated in any type of show since.

[crazylegs]

During the REM (Rapid Eye Movement) stage of dreams an erection always occurs, even with those men who have erectile dysfunction, so yes it is entirely possible.

In addition men will also have an erection if there is severe spinal damage, I can't think many men will have sex on the mind while in terrible pain.

In addition in UK law rape is seen as the insertion of the penis without consent into either the vagina OR the mouth OR the anus, which adds a different spin onto things.

[Lace Neil Singer]

So, from a legal aspect; what would be the charge for a woman who drugged a man and inserted a vibrator into his anus? Or sat astride his face forcing him to orally pleasure her? Or gave him drugs to bring on an erection and had sex with him? Just curious.

[Greenday]

So, from a legal aspect; what would be the charge for a woman who drugged a man and inserted a vibrator into his anus? Or sat astride his face forcing him to orally pleasure her? Or gave him drugs to bring on an erection and had sex with him? Just curious.

The exact same charge as a man forcing sex on a woman, rape.

[Pedersen]

Actually, Greenday, re-read what crazylegs wrote. Rape is the forced insertion of the penis into the vagina. So only the last option could be classified as rape. The others would be assault of some variety (maybe), but would not fit the legal definition of rape.

And I seem to recall him mentioning that elsewhere, though damned if I can remember where right now.

[crazylegs]

So, from a legal aspect; what would be the charge for a woman who drugged a man and inserted a vibrator into his anus? Or sat astride his face forcing him to orally pleasure her? Or gave him drugs to bring on an erection and had sex with him? Just curious.

This I don't know, I'm not fully read up on sexual assault laws (that's what CID do day in day out) and have a basic knowledge, I *can* find out but it will take me a few days (I don't have access to the database from home)

[Greenday]

Actually, Greenday, re-read what crazylegs wrote.

Doh, wrong country...

[powerboy]

I do believe that female on male rape is possible. It is sad that males get laughed at, when they report that were raped.