Fatties and their Haters

[Boozy]

Not every horrible headache is a migraine. For example, most men suffering from severe head pains have cluster headaches that are just as painful, but different than migraines.

Cluster headaches are much, much more painful than migraine headaches. They're also known as suicide headaches, since so many sufferers make attempts on their own lives during an attack, and in fear of one. They're generally accepted as the worst pain known to humans.

Migraine is a neurological disorder, which may or may not include headache symptoms. People tend to call every bad headache a migraine, but doctors aren't likely to diagnose migraine unless the headache is accompanied by other neurological symptoms and/or nausea. For example, I've had migraine attacks where the left side of my body has become numb, but I haven't had the headache pain.

Whether or not AdminAssistant had tension headaches or migraine, exercise does help. The frequency of my attacks is cut in half when I'm getting regular exercise. I've found regular exercise helps with virtually every bodily complaint I have (with the exception of viruses like cold and flu). I made excuses not to exercise for years, but once I finally started I couldn't believe how much better I started to feel. Exercise is the magic pill, no question.

[Boozy]

If you can't see how saying someone "eats enough for a family of four" or "just won't put down the pies" are phrases that's only possible meaning is that the person engaging in those behaivors is greedy (taking an excessive quantity that they do not need) or a pig (commonly understood to be someone who is fat, greedy, and often lazy) then I do not now to explain it.

To clarify: You accused AFPhoenix of calling "us all" greedy pigs, implying that there was a personal attack when there was not one. How you interpret her post is up to you, as long as you accept that she is speaking about obesity in general and not about you personally.

I love how all of you are so happy to tell me what I should be eating to 'cure' my fatness... but not one of you knows what I do eat. I guess it's ok for everyone here to make assumptions about my life, but it's not ok for me to make an assumption about what they meant by saying I 'won't put down the pies' or 'eat enough for a family of four'.

I don't believe that anyone has told you what to eat. You are internalizing everyone's arguments and assuming that they are speaking about you personally. They are not.

This is a debate forum where broad issues are discussed. One might be an adherent of a religion that is being debated, or a member of a political party that is being skewered, or just a proponent of an idea that no one likes. Whatever the case, we need to be able to debate these things in general without worrying about causing personal offense.

[Nyoibo]

And this thread is LONG.

Oh come on, 24 pages isn't that long.

If you can't see how saying someone "eats enough for a family of four" or "just won't put down the pies" are phrases that's only possible meaning is that the person engaging in those behaivors is greedy (taking an excessive quantity that they do not need) or a pig (commonly understood to be someone who is fat, greedy, and often lazy) then I do not now to explain it.

What else do you say from someone eating enough for a family of four?

I love how all of you are so happy to tell me what I should be eating to 'cure' my fatness... but not one of you knows what I do eat. I guess it's ok for everyone here to make assumptions about my life,

Hey, I did ask thank you. Assumption will come into it a bit, would you be forthcoming if we asked you to tell us what an average meal plan for the day entailed?

[Boozy]

Hey, I did ask thank you. Assumption will come into it a bit, would you be forthcoming if we asked you to tell us what an average meal plan for the day entailed?

I don't think that's a good idea, frankly. The issue here is obesity in general, not any one member's diet plan.

[Nyoibo]

I don't think that's a good idea, frankly. The issue here is obesity in general, not any one member's diet plan.

Hmm, maybe I should have phrased that better, I claim fatigue, what I meant to illustrate is that without information beinf offered or supplied assumption must enter into any thinking on a subject.

That make more sense?

[AdminAssistant]

Heh, I would be advocating for pills if there were any diet substances that weren't just stimulants or ineffective appetite supressants. If they developed ones that worked as advertised, then I would be perfectly happy to give them out like candy.
Better living through chemistry!.

Well, there is Alli...losing weight through diarrhea! Even if I wanted to suffer through that, I can't take it because I've had gallbladder surgery. EW.

Whether or not AdminAssistant had tension headaches or migraine, exercise does help. The frequency of my attacks is cut in half when I'm getting regular exercise. I've found regular exercise helps with virtually every bodily complaint I have (with the exception of viruses like cold and flu). I made excuses not to exercise for years, but once I finally started I couldn't believe how much better I started to feel. Exercise is the magic pill, no question.

I don't know that I'd call it a magic pill. "Magic pill" implies an easy solution, like taking a pill. To me, exercise is not "easy" or "fun" or "invigorating". It's hard and icky, but yes, when I get back from my visit home, I am going to make a more concerted effort to do something...due to silly university rules, I can't go to the health center or gym this summer because I'm not enrolled in summer classes.

I guess my complaint was that when the midrin didn't work, I didn't feel like I could go back to the doctor because I wasn't exercising for reasons I've already mentioned. So I just hurt for the rest of the semester.

[violetyoshi]

I have not made that insinuation. I have made the accomodation that depression and other mental illness can lead to obesity for some people, which is hardly a novel idea.

It's kind of like the idea that all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.

Again, did I kick your puppy or something? You sure have drawn a bead on me for really no reason at all.

Anyways, as for cheap meal ideas, getting really cheap cuts of meat such as roasts and then slow-cooking the hell out of it can be nutritious, healthy, and often doesn't take too much effort as you can throw the roast in the slow-cooker with some veggies and seasonings, head out to work for the day and come back to a fabulous supper.
I love my slow cooker :3

Nobody can disagree with you, without you acting as if someone kicked your puppy. With your "I haven't done anything at all.", you've only bothered to contradict and claim anything anyone says in regards that obesity isn't a complete death sentence, must be wrong.

[BlaqueKatt]

glaring out and out lie on the first page of "bigfatfacts"

THE CLAIM: Obesity is unhealthy. It causes heart disease, cancer, diabetes, hypertension, asthma, arthritis, impotence, depression, sleep apnea, deep vein thrombosis, and dementia.

THE TRUTH: Obesity has not been found to be the primary cause of any of these health problems. There is little evidence that adiposity (excess fat tissues) produces the claimed pathologies.

From medline plus medical encyclopedia

This article focuses on type 2, which usually occurs with obesity and insulin resistance.


but I suppose a medical encyclopedia is "biased" and big fat facts which has an agenda to push is totally reliable despite outright lying on it's first page.

[Boozy]

I guess my complaint was that when the midrin didn't work, I didn't feel like I could go back to the doctor because I wasn't exercising for reasons I've already mentioned. So I just hurt for the rest of the semester.

It's too bad that your doctor didn't offer you any choices.

My doc prescribed some simply back exercises to help with my scoliosis. I didn't like doing them because they made it difficult to listen to my iPod at the same time...which is the only reason I like to work out. So I just didn't do them. When I went back for a follow-up, I complained about pain, but was honest and said I hadn't done any of the physiotherapy. He just sighed and wrote me a prescription. Then he said, "You can have back pain. You can have some nasty side effects from this drug. Or you can exercise. Those are your options. Your call."

I ended up doing the exercises.

[Flyndaran]

Well, there is Alli...losing weight through diarrhea! Even if I wanted to suffer through that, I can't take it because I've had gallbladder surgery. EW.



I don't know that I'd call it a magic pill. "Magic pill" implies an easy solution, like taking a pill. To me, exercise is not "easy" or "fun" or "invigorating". It's hard and icky, but yes, when I get back from my visit home, I am going to make a more concerted effort to do something...due to silly university rules, I can't go to the health center or gym this summer because I'm not enrolled in summer classes.
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You don't lose weight through diarrhea unless you ignore the medication's requirement and totally overwhelm it. Under normal usage, loose stool is not that common of a side effect.

Magic pill could just as easily mean that it helps nearly all physical ailments.

glaring out and out lie on the first page of "bigfatfacts"

THE CLAIM: Obesity is unhealthy. It causes heart disease, cancer, diabetes, hypertension, asthma, arthritis, impotence, depression, sleep apnea, deep vein thrombosis, and dementia.

THE TRUTH: Obesity has not been found to be the primary cause of any of these health problems. There is little evidence that adiposity (excess fat tissues) produces the claimed pathologies.

From medline plus medical encyclopedia

This article focuses on type 2, which usually occurs with obesity and insulin resistance.


but I suppose a medical encyclopedia is "biased" and big fat facts which has an agenda to push is totally reliable despite outright lying on it's first page.

Being obese is the opposite of exercise, in that it makes nearly every problem worse. Even if it doesn't quite work as the one and only cause of said problems.

I don't see why you need overwhelming evidence that being super heavy might lead to joint damage, having a much greater blood volume might lead to heart disease, poor diets might lead to cancer, fatty throats might lead to sleep apnea, etc. They seem pretty obvious to me, therefore I would need evidence that fat doesn't often lead to such problems.

[AFPheonix]

If you can't see how saying someone "eats enough for a family of four" or "just won't put down the pies" are phrases that's only possible meaning is that the person engaging in those behaivors is greedy (taking an excessive quantity that they do not need) or a pig (commonly understood to be someone who is fat, greedy, and often lazy) then I do not now to explain it.

I love how all of you are so happy to tell me what I should be eating to 'cure' my fatness... but not one of you knows what I do eat. I guess it's ok for everyone here to make assumptions about my life, but it's not ok for me to make an assumption about what they meant by saying I 'won't put down the pies' or 'eat enough for a family of four'.

I have not made any disparaging claims against the obese in general in this thread. The only group I have taken to task in this thread (and did it sans insults) was the Fat Acceptance movement, simply because they lie and mischaracterize science to make themselves feel better. I find them to be hypocritical. I have not ONCE made a personal attack on you.

Nobody can disagree with you, without you acting as if someone kicked your puppy. With your "I haven't done anything at all.", you've only bothered to contradict and claim anything anyone says in regards that obesity isn't a complete death sentence, must be wrong.

You are more than welcome to disagree with me, I don't care. I DO care when you misinterpret what I say and then proceed to put words in my mouth. Actually, your entire post that I've quoted is a perfect example of this.

[Rapscallion]

I see, and what about the numerous posts where AFPheonix insinuates that someone has to be mentally ill in order to be fat?

It's called a report button.

Learn to love it. It loves you.

Rapscallion

[violetyoshi]

It's called a report button.

Learn to love it. It loves you.

Rapscallion

Yeah, you can't forget it's always who reports first, is the one who's taken seriously.

[BroomJockey]

Yeah, you can't forget it's always who reports first, is the one who's taken seriously.

All reports are given their due consideration.

[violetyoshi]

All reports are given their due consideration.

Unless they're mentioned in a forum, then they're just told "Well you should've reported them."