Fatties and their Haters

[DesignFox]

I read that thread and didn't see any fatty bashing. They were legitimately complaining about a type of lazy customer. They didn't call all fatties lazy.

I'm in agreement here. I didn't see anything in that thread bashing heavy people...I don't see what the debate is.

[Nyoibo]

When insulting people, it's probably best if you use correct spelling. It's lose not loose.

And when picking something trivial like that to bitch about it's probably best if you learnt to use the multi-quote tag instead of pissing off the mods who have to edit your posts.

See, I can pick on pointless things too.

but everyone jumps on someone calling someone "fat" or one of the other euphamisms for it, but it's perfectly ok to call someone "poster child for anorexia"-do smaller people not have feelings?

I'll call 'em how I see 'em, although I do reserve judgement until I know the facts.

[ladyneeva]

So basically what you (general sense of the word, directed towards everyone who holds the thought that "it's easy all you have to do is not eat like a pig" mostly at the moment Nyoibo) are saying is that if the end result is being within acceptable bounds on the BMI chart then it does not matter how we have to get to that magical number or what damage we do to ourselves physically or psychologically as long as being within that numerical range is the result?

[Nyoibo]

No, fuck the BMI, I've yet to know more than 1 or 2 people that it's actually acurate on, what I'm saying is if you're overweight You have one of two options, lose weight (got it right that time Flyn ) or deal with the shit that comes with being overweight, because unless you have a medical reason then it's your own damn fault, no one elses, no one made you buy the food, no one made you eat the food.

We seem to as a society coddle people all the time now, for everything and there's no accountability, there's a line in Liar Liar "Stop breaking the law asshole" and it applies to a lot of overweight people "Stop eating the crap asshole"

[ladyneeva]

Even if you DO have a medical reason you'll still have to "deal with the shit" -- or do you think those who are sick have a giant neon sign on their heads?

And how do you define "sick"? Depression causes weight gain (also weight loss... depends which way you roll, if you start comfort eating or if you stop eating)... does that mean that depressed overweight people 'deserve' to be bashed because they're just eating too much? Even though it's a physical and chemical imbalance in their brains that cause it?

For that matter, many people consider chronic overeating to be a disease on the same order as chronic under eating (anorexia)... so are they sick and their weight is a symptom, or do they just need to be publicly humiliated until they put down the Twinkie? And if their weight IS a symptom, how do you suppose we treat it?

Also... over what weight? And who gets to decide? If I thought you were underweight, would that give me the right to publicly mock you to try and force you to eat (even if you were happy with the weight you were at, but sick of 'dealing with the shit'?)

My take on the situation is that it is NEVER ok to make another human being hate themselves. We as a society look down on children who torment other children to the point where the tormented ones become depressed, withdrawn and suicidal. So why should it be ok for people to treat a behavior that results in adults feeling that way as something they DESERVE just because some of us think it would be easy to stop eating?

There is really a double standard at work here -- someone at a 'normal' weight range can go into any store and buy anything they like and eat it... and nobody says a thing. Someone who is overweight goes into a store, buys the wrong item (or too much of the right items) and everyone and their cousin feels entitled to judge their purchase.

Or take a look at weight loss surgery for another example... after that surgery, a victim is told they can only eat about a half of a cup (four ounces) of food and they need to eat it very slowly... that half a cup of food should take at LEAST an hour to eat. This is the desired result. If a fat person announces that they're planning on getting this surgery they are applauded. People clap them on the back and say good for you, this is a great thing you are doing, congratulations! Heck, their insurance company will probably PAY for it, and their doctor is probably the one who suggested it.

If an average sized individual were to announce that they were starting a diet that had the same result... people would call them insane, anorexic, sick.

Does that not seem WRONG to anyone else? That we can view the exact same behavior as a wonderful thing if one person is doing it, yet a sign of mental illness in another... even though it's the exact same thing with the exception of the fat person being permanently damaged while the thin person has a chance to smarten up and say "oh wait, starvation isn't as fun as I thought!"

[Lace Neil Singer]

Let me point something out; there are other eating disorders other than anorexia and bulimia, you know; I used to suffer from one called Compulsive Eating Disorder and yes, it was actually diagnosed by a doctor. Here's some information if, like most people, you don't know what it is.

http://www.thesite.org/healthandwell...mpulsiveeating

This is a variation on binge eating where sufferers eat even when they are not hungry, without having the willpower to stop. This may happen all the time or come and go in cycles. Some overeaters just nibble consistently, others binge and then starve themselves before eating again. Most compulsive eaters are overweight and have low self esteem, and use food as a comforter rather than face up to the underlying problem. Many feel guilty about their habit and aim to cover it up. Men are thought to suffer from compulsive eating more than any other eating disorder.

Treatment for these and other eating disorders begins by recognising and dealing with the problems in your life that cause you to use food as an escape.

Symptoms include:

Depression
Bingeing on food, then fasting, then bingeing again, but no purges.
Obsession with body weight
Mood swings
Low self esteem


A lot of compulsive overeaters also self harm or were sexually abused. They overeat to try and fill the void with food, or to cover up feelings of worthlessness. When they fail at their attempts to lose the weight by dieting or fasting, they then feel even more worthless and binge again.


I used to cut myself whenever I failed at losing weight; I struggled with this disorder and the selfharm for years before I learned to like myself and therefore was able to get over the disorder. I then started a proper healthy eating programme and the weight fell off. Before tho, I'd set myself unrealistic targets, and starve myself to try and lose the weight. I find it very insulting that the umbrella term for all overweight people is "eat less". To a sufferer of compulsive eating disorder, that's like telling an anorexic to "eat more".

[ladyneeva]

I just use anorexia because it's one that pretty much everyone can be expected to have heard of. It's easier to discuss something if most people know what you are talking about.

[BlaqueKatt]

Or take a look at weight loss surgery for another example... after that surgery, a victim is told they can only eat about a half of a cup (four ounces) of food and they need to eat it very slowly... that half a cup of food should take at LEAST an hour to eat. This is the desired result. If a fat person announces that they're planning on getting this surgery they are applauded. People clap them on the back and say good for you, this is a great thing you are doing, congratulations! Heck, their insurance company will probably PAY for it, and their doctor is probably the one who suggested it.

Personally I think that surgery is horrible, and sadly it's being done on children now.

"The development of a child’s body may eliminate them from becoming a gastric bypass patient; however, the development can also work to their advantage. A child or teenager still has the ability to lose a significant amount of weight on their own. Instead of risking their child’s life parents are encouraged to save the money from gastric bypass surgery and use it to hire a personal trainer or promote healthy eating."

So this ability magically goes away in adulthood? Just curious.

[Nyoibo]

So this ability magically goes away in adulthood? Just curious.

To an extent yesduring childhood and adolescence the number of fat cells in your body changes a fair bit, once you reach adulthood the number of fat cells in your body stays pretty much constant, so a person going from adolescence to adulthood with fewer fat cells will find it easier to stay thinner than one who was overweight.

I then started a proper healthy eating programme and the weight fell off.

And there in lies the problem most people have, they don't do that

Instead they do

Before tho, I'd set myself unrealistic targets, and starve myself to try and lose the weight

And that's why although there are so many people dieting the number of overweight people increases.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Way to miss the point; the point is, that I had an eating disorder. Would you tell an anorexic to eat more?

[Nyoibo]

Way to miss the point; the point is, that I had an eating disorder. Would you tell an anorexic to eat more?

Yes I would.

[BroomJockey]

Yes I would.

So your cure for mental disorders is "Shut the fuck up and deal with it?" Because that's what telling an anorexic to eat more is equivalent to.

[BlaqueKatt]

Way to miss the point; the point is, that I had an eating disorder. Would you tell an anorexic to eat more?

yup people do-I know from experience, and people laugh about it too

when I was in the midst of my 7 year battle with anorexia-all anyone did was tell me "you need to eat more"-I was 5'5" and weighed 80 pounds-ended up not breaking 100 pounds until I was 23-I wore a kid's size 12 a size 0 was too big. I collapsed at school and was put in the hospital at one point-all they did was put me on a "calorie count" where I had to show the nurses my tray after I was done "eating"-when they caught me giving the food away or throwing it out-I turned to vomiting-it looked like I was eating, and they quit bothering me. I was never classified as bulimic as a PB&J sandwich is not classified as "binging", though I did "purge".

Anorexia is not about weight or food, it's about control.

from medicinenet.com

"A person with anorexia initially begins dieting to lose weight. Over time, the weight loss becomes a sign of mastery and control. The drive to become thinner is actually secondary to concerns about control and/or fears relating to one's body. The individual continues the endless cycle of restrictive eating often to a point close to starvation in order to feel a sense of control over the body. This cycle becomes an obsession and is similar to any type of drug or substance addiction."

[Nyoibo]

So your cure for mental disorders is "Shut the fuck up and deal with it?" Because that's what telling an anorexic to eat more is equivalent to.

No, and no it's not, alot of the time people try and protect poeple from reality, it doesn't help them it hurts them, and alot of the time coddling doesn't help, people need to be told the truth and face reality, and sometimes a harsh wakeup call is what they need.

I've seen it more and more with counselors* that they try to ne nice and friendly and it's not working, these days we're so caught up in political correctness and trying not to offend anyone that people are suffering and paying the price so that a bunch of PC dicks who never had anything wrong with them or experienced and hardship can feel better about themselves because they "protected" some poor helpless person from the big bad world. Half the people in this world need to stop being enablers and the other half needs to stop being victims, everybody's fucked up in some way, people need to learn to deal with it, not be given excuses or reasons to hide behind.

*And before anyone says "What do you know about counseling or any thing else, yes I do have a qualification in counseling, and just for the hell of it to throw it out there I do also have qualifications in anatomy and physiology which does include things like chemical imbalances in the brain and body.


I'm also going to apologise if I've upset anyone, at the moment I'm tired, drunk and angry/upset because I had to have a horse that's been in my family for 31 years put down and buried today, so I'm not in the best frame of mind, having said that, feel free to rip into me and pull apart my post, I do enjoy a good arguement.

[violetyoshi]

*MOD EDIT due to excessive quoting~Please edit quotes

I've seen more "thin prejudice" than "fat prejudice" on CS

There'd be less thin prejudice, if there was less fat prejudice in the world. Fat people all time are faced, with the privelages thin people get that they don't consider:

Such as, being able to buy clothing wherever you want, in what style you want. Being able to find a doctor, who you don't have to convince that you are healthy in despite of being fat. Being able to travel, without being seen purely as a burden. Not being judged as weak-willed or having a lack of morals, for the body you have.

I understand those may not pertain to someone who appears Anorexic, however, at least the person who's perceived Anorexic can board a plane without being joked about crashing the plane cause they weigh so much, or being a burden as far as fuel costs go and that they should be able to loose the weight, if they only had the will-power or sense to. Yeah, I forgot, people think fat people are dumb as well.

So sorry, if I'm not willing to suggest that life is as hard for a thin person who appears Anorexic, as for a person who appears fat. I also apologize for getting upset over a post, where people assume that the sole reason fat people exist is they don't walk enough. Perhaps most of the people here, don't realize that after hearing time and time again, that fat is a simple matter of calories in calories out, and after they've discovered that DOES NOT WORK for them, they still have to hear from ignorant people that it does, they're an idiot for not making it work. As if our bodies are completely under our control the whole time.