Indiana Mom Sends Son To School With A Stun Gun

[crashhelmet]

Middle School Girl Kills Herself After Months of Bullying

[Greenday]

Middle School Girl Kills Herself After Months of Bullying

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/9...-old-Minn-girl - For those like me who don't feel like watching videos.

The link I posted provides a lot of info the video didn't offer. Like the fact that she's the one who started the slut rumor about herself. Or that people actually asked her about how she was doing and she denied anything being wrong. Did bullying play a part in this? We'll honestly never know but someone who starts rumors about herself being a slut clearly had something wrong with herself.

[HYHYBT]

Except that the schools themselves are full of cameras. So there shouldn't be any need to do the recording yourself.

[draco664]

In some states like mine there are laws that no one can be recorded without their express knowledge and consent,

Citation needed. You may be confusing being recorded while in private with being recorded while being in public.

and operating a recording device in a public place without a permit is illegal.

Citation desperately needed. Where the hell did you hear that?

If you are in public, you have no expectation of privacy. Look at the Pixiq site/blog for a lot of information about recording people in public.

So if you proved you were being attacked via hidden camera, you would be slammed twice- once for fighting at school and once for using a recording device. And knowing the school system, the bully probably would be let off because they couldn't punish him based on a recording you weren't supposed to do.

Unlikely. Stick it on youtube with the phone number of the principal of the school's phone number/email. Any action against the victim would then be a career-ending move.

[MrsEclipse]

http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland...cj/10-402.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2010061505592

TECHNICALLY it's only supposed to count for audio conversations since it was developed as a wiretapping law in the 1970s, but as you can see in the Washington Post article people are still having disagreements over how it should count for video with the advent of camera phones and Youtube.

When I'm home this weekend I'll see if I can dig up the records from high school where I got in serious trouble for bully-recording. I don't think we kept any of the papers though.


And it looks like Maryland is the only state that's actually this strict on it, so I guess it doesn't apply in most situations and definitely not here.

[crashhelmet]

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/9...-old-Minn-girl - For those like me who don't feel like watching videos.

The link I posted provides a lot of info the video didn't offer. Like the fact that she's the one who started the slut rumor about herself. Or that people actually asked her about how she was doing and she denied anything being wrong. Did bullying play a part in this? We'll honestly never know but someone who starts rumors about herself being a slut clearly had something wrong with herself.

No, it says it possibly came from Rachel. The only confirmed fact is that it came from Rachel's Father's house. From there it could've been her, a friend, a sibling, or God forbid a parent. But there is nothing in the article you posted that says it actually came from her.

As for denying anything being wrong, it's been pointed out already that bullying victims often deny that anything is wrong.

[Greenday]

As for denying anything being wrong, it's been pointed out already that bullying victims often deny that anything is wrong.

But that doesn't prove anything WAS wrong.

[Andara Bledin]

But that doesn't prove anything WAS wrong.

It's a useless indicator and so should not be included in an argument for either side. Since you brought it up, however, it was appropriate to point out that it's not a useful piece of data.

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[s_stabeler]

As someone who has been bullied myself 9 and I know all about useless teachers- one watched as the worst one yelled something right in my face ( I'd rather not say what it is on a public forum in case it identifies me. suffice it to say it was bad. If you really must know, PM me.) and didn't bat an eyelid. Except when I complained to him, then he always told me to tolerate it (As an aside, one of the WORST things to say to a bullying victim is to tolerate it, even if they do seem over-sensitive. From personal experience, it makes it seem like you don't care. The number of times I was told to tolerate being bullied... well, my mother later said that what I went through most people wouldn't be able to cope. She's probably right.)

My reaction to this case? I'd say there's a 60-100% chance the kid thought the bullies would actually try to kill him ( I certainly did a couple of times. Can't be sure they wouldn't have tried, honestly. However, I used to walk to the bus stop a different route to most people, so if they wanted to, they never had the chance.) That could be what prompted the mother to give the kid the stun gun, not to mention it completely justifies the kid's response. Not to mention, that school, not doing anything about bullying? Means the kid probably had no-where to go to dodge the bullies. perfect powder-keg, and the kid should not have been expelled.

If I was running the school... well, the bullies would have been expelled long since, but in that situation? I would have given the kid a token punishment in recognition of the zero-tolerance policy existing, and come down hard on the bullies. Maybe expelled for bullying, depending on if I could, but at a minimum several detentions. (As in multiple weeks. probably after-school, since crimping their social life'd have the most impact.) O do freely acknowledge, though, that I am probably biased towards the victim. ( and to those calling for assault charges against the bullies, don't I wish, but the bullies could have) been verbally bullying the kid, which isn't assault.

[gremcint]

You know what I'm sick of this shit. You have to go to school period, homeschooling is not always an option and if you are a dropout your future is severely hampered.

But everyday you get harassed, bullied, assaulted, molested. Day in day out you get treated like this and noone will help you, the teachers don't give a shit your parents can't do anything the cops won't step in. These bullies either outnumber you or are bigger than you and because they're just kids they basically get to do whatever they want to you and you are powerless to stop it. So you know fucking what, there are times where bringing a weapon to school is acceptable, sometimes you have to even the playing field and send a message because you are forced to be in this situation and you are on your own.

[Greenday]

You know what else prevents you from succeeding into today's society? Being arrested and charged with felony assault with a deadly weapon. Being front page news for bringing a weapon to school and attacking other students with it.

[AdminAssistant]

If you are so afraid for your child that you would send them to school with a weapon, then the situation is serious enough to consider changing districts or homeschooling.

[s_stabeler]

Greenday, so what would you do to resolve the situation? the school is outright ignoring the problem.

AdminAssistant, you're right, but there are several reasons I can think of for those two options to be unusable. 1) I don't think it's easy to change school districts without moving house. They might not be able to afford to. 2) homeschooling might not work either. Again, it costs money, since you need to pay tutors, not to mention pay for any exams the student takes. ( In the UK, if you are taught in school, the government pays for your first attempt at an exam, then you pay ~£15 for any retakes. If you are a private student at an exam centre (AKA a homeschooled kid usually) it's £50ish.) Further, you still have to pay the taxes that support public schools.

so in short, those options might not be available. If they are, then I agree the kid should be moved or hiomeschooled in preference to taking a weapon into school. Although by far the best solution is for the school to take bullying seriously.

[Greenday]

So, people who can't afford to hire tutors and pay for tests should go for felony assault which means they won't be able to afford bail, they won't be able to afford lawyers, they won't be able afford other fines.

Assaulting people with weapons is not the answer in this situation.

[s_stabeler]

Greenday, again, I ask what option do the parents have left? let the kid be bullied? You say using weapons isn't the answer, but don't say what you think the answer IS.