I'm Too Fat To Be Executed!!!

[daleduke17]

I still say it would be far more punishing to this guy to make him stick to a 1600 calorie diet for the rest of his life, locked away from Twinkies and HoHos.

The ACLU would probably throw a hissy fit over that kind of "cruel and unusual punishment".

[Greenday]

The ACLU would probably throw a hissy fit over that kind of "cruel and unusual punishment".

I think 1600 calories is 1000 too many.

[AFPheonix]

Agreed. Why are this guy's so called rights considered to be more important than the lives of those women who he raped and murdered? Why should he be considered any more than he considered them? I take offence at someone saying in a patronising tone what Flyndaran said. If they didn't mean it that way, then it darn well looked like that. Maybe they ought to think about what they say before they hit submit in future.

Maybe just don't read it. He disagrees with you. I disagree frankly with everyone who likes to beat their chests and come up with the gnarliest ways they can think of to "punish" prisoners. I think that mindset is wrong and disturbing.

[Pedersen]

I think you may have mistook the U.S. for al queda. It's getting easier to mistake now a days I understand.

Wow. Did you seriously just compare me, personally, to a terrorist organization? By saying "U.S.", and using it as a noun, you've declared that all things US are difficult to distinguish from a specific terrorist organization.

I have to conclude that your goal was to piss off as many people as possible with one single statement. Congratulations, you've succeeded. The only reason you haven't just landed on my own personal ignore list is because I want to see if you're going to apologize for calling me a terrorist.

You don't like the US gov't? Welcome to the club. Go ahead and criticize them all you want, I'll help you do it.

Want to slam the entire damned country? Go for it. Just expect to have your voice disappear into a bit bucket.

I await your apology and clarification eagerly.

[Boozy]

Wow. Did you seriously just compare me, personally, to a terrorist organization? By saying "U.S.", and using it as a noun, you've declared that all things US are difficult to distinguish from a specific terrorist organization.

That's quite a stretch, there. You are putting words in Flyndaran's mouth. His/her statement can in no way be read as an attack against you personally. Members here should be able to criticize the United States and other nations without concern that other members will interpret it as an individual attack.

The only reason you haven't just landed on my own personal ignore list is because I want to see if you're going to apologize for calling me a terrorist.

Again, Flyndaran has not called you personally a terrorist.

I await your apology and clarification eagerly.

It's certainly up to Flyndaran, but I don't see where an apology is owed.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Maybe just don't read it. He disagrees with you. I disagree frankly with everyone who likes to beat their chests and come up with the gnarliest ways they can think of to "punish" prisoners. I think that mindset is wrong and disturbing.

Being beheaded is actually a quicker death than being electricuted is. I don't suggest it as punishment, more of removing a dangerous element from society. You might think differently if he escaped from prison or was released to rape and kill another woman.

[Boozy]

Being beheaded is actually a quicker death than being electricuted is.

You might have a point there. Although it's quite gruesome to think about, isn't it?

[Greenday]

You might have a point there. Although it's quite gruesome to think about, isn't it?

At least we know it works 100% of the time.

[Pedersen]

That's quite a stretch, there. You are putting words in Flyndaran's mouth.

I disagree. Allow me to re-quote his statement:

I think you may have mistook the U.S. for al queda. It's getting easier to mistake now a days I understand.

He did not say "The US Government". He did not say "The Department of Homeland Security". He did not say "The Transportation Safety Administration". He did not say "The KKK". He did not say "Aryan Nation".

No, he did not name one single group within the US. He named (and I quote again):

the U.S.

All of it. Every single person and organization that makes it up. Had he simply named one sub-section, I wouldn't be upset (unless the group was "US Computer Geeks", of course).

I'm not putting words into his mouth. I'm stating precisely what he stated. And reacting to that.

His/her statement can in no way be read as an attack against you personally.

I would posit that it can by virtue of the fact that it has. You might have meant something closer to "No reasonable person should interpret what he said as an attack against that person specifically"? I'll admit that maybe I am being unreasonable.

But I am offended. What he stated, and the way he stated it, is no different than if I were to state any of the following (note: None of the following is a statement of belief, and is being used only as an example):

• Canadians lives in igloos, and use dogsleds to get around.
• Arabs are terrorists.
• Blacks like chicken.

Again, none of those are statements of belief. They are being used as examples of things that, if someone were to say, they would be (rightfully) admonished for having said.

However, since the statement was made against the US, and it was me being upset about it, I guess it must be okay, right?

Members here should be able to criticize the United States and other nations without concern that other members will interpret it as an individual attack.

I agree, actually. But maybe the criticisms should be a bit more grounded in reality? For instance, a valid one: I couldn't live in an area like Nunavut without going insane. Why? The winters would kill me. I need more sunlight.

Or another one: The US Govt has, with Bush in office especially, undertaken policies that make it comparable to some terrorist organizations. Before, when they did it, it was more covert. Now, it is more open, and particularly despicable.

Rather different from my complaint, wouldn't you say?

Again, Flyndaran has not called you personally a terrorist.

Ah, yes, he didn't state "Pedersen, it's difficult to tell you apart from any member of Al Qaeda." Instead, he said (well, I was going to quote it again, but why?) that the US is difficult to tell from terrorists.

And Canadians live in igloos. How's yours? And, your dog team, are they all healthy?

It's certainly up to Flyndaran, but I don't see where an apology is owed.

We very much disagree. At least we find ourselves in familiar territory

[ebonyknight]

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Being beheaded is actually a quicker death than being electricuted is.

You might have a point there. Although it's quite gruesome to think about, isn't it?

Actually it depends. If you are talking about beheading the "traditional way", IE an executioner with an axe. It was quite gruesome and a difficult death. The executioner had to be VERY, VERY skilled (not very common) to properly execute a person. Frequently the executioner would "miss" and hit the shoulder or not cut all the way through, or any number of common mistakes. It would usually take a few repeated strokes to conclude the execution. Very gruesome and cruel.

This is why the guillotine was invented. It relied on a "precise mechanism" to do the execution rather than relying on human error. The blade was shaped and sharpened as to guarantee a proper and quick beheading each and every time.

Although, it is granted when talking about beheading that we think of a guillotine, it was not the common and/or traditional way to behead someone.

[Greenday]

Good point ebonyknight. Anyone here read Harry Potter? This thread makes me think about Nearly-Headless Nick. Now THAT would be a brutal way to go.

[AFPheonix]

Being beheaded is actually a quicker death than being electricuted is. I don't suggest it as punishment, more of removing a dangerous element from society. You might think differently if he escaped from prison or was released to rape and kill another woman.

And yet he didn't escape, because he was too darned fat to get over the fence. It's pretty rare that high risk prisoners like that get out anyways.

It just cracks me right up when people go on and on about how bad these murderers are, and yet think up all kinds of ways to kill them, or hope and joke about brutal prison rape on these guys.
Ok, they did some seriously bad stuff. I don't disagree, but for people to debase themselves and bring themselves to the same level as the ones they detest by proposing medieval era death penalties is ironic in my opinion.

Petersen, we as the nation are responsible for voting Bush and Co. in, twice I might add, not to mention stood by and sometimes even applauded when they did horrible things. Even now, no one is calling for his head. When Kucinich brings articles of impeachment to the table and rightly so, he doesn't get support from the people. Far from it. More than anything I hear people say that they just want to put the whole matter behind them.

[Pedersen]

Petersen, we as the nation are responsible for voting Bush and Co. in, twice I might add, not to mention stood by and sometimes even applauded when they did horrible things. Even now, no one is calling for his head. When Kucinich brings articles of impeachment to the table and rightly so, he doesn't get support from the people. Far from it. More than anything I hear people say that they just want to put the whole matter behind them.

Hmm, you're right. Nobody is trying to do anything. Good thing, too. After all, it shows to the world that the US is 100% in agreement 100% of the time with our government.

What's that you say? My links showed a different picture? There are lots of people in this country who disagree? That if the percentages are to be believed at face value from those links, we have some 100,000,000 people who think that Bush should be impeached? That's not possible.

After all, the US is one singular entity. There's no differences of opinion within its borders. People here are uniform in their agreement. And that's why it's acceptable to say that "the US" is nearly indistinguishable from a terrorist organization.

Much like it's acceptable to say that Arabs are terrorists. They're all under the same umbrella. They're one singular group, with members being indistinguishable from each other, right? No dissenting voices there, right?

</sarcasm>

Whether I agree with you or not about the responsibility for Bush and company being in office is irrelevant. A significant segment of the population did not vote for Bush. Another, even bigger, segment wants him impeached. For some reason, the man is untouchable at this point, and I'm unable to explain it.

And, personally, I take great offense at being lumped into the group that approves of his actions.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I was thinking of the guillotine, rather than the old Jack Ketch method of gruesomely hacking vaguely at the surrounding area in the hope that at least one axe blow would hit the spot. Now, that is something we don't want to see back; tho I really doubt this guy is going to leap up like the Countess of Salisbury and run around screaming trying to avoid the axe.

[Pagan]

Just chop his damn head off. There, problem solved. -.-

Yes, the Reign of Terror seemed quite fond of it!

It was quite gruesome and a difficult death. The executioner had to be VERY, VERY skilled (not very common) to properly execute a person. Frequently the executioner would "miss" and hit the shoulder or not cut all the way through, or any number of common mistakes. It would usually take a few repeated strokes to conclude the execution. Very gruesome and cruel.

It took three strokes when the English assassinated Mary, Queen of Scots.

This is why the guillotine was invented. It relied on a "precise mechanism" to do the execution rather than relying on human error. The blade was shaped and sharpened as to guarantee a proper and quick beheading each and every time.

I don't know that Charlotte Corday would agree with you!