How does this even make sense?

[draco664]

A judge in Australia has awarded custody of two children to their mother and ordered that the father's contact be restricted to just letters and birthday cards.

Nothing unusual there, but the reason?

The mother's mother's clairvoyant *saw* that the children's father abused them.

The father denies it.

The experts say it didn't happen.

The freaking *judge* says it didn't happen.

No one has convinced the mother however. So no contact for Dad.

At what point do we stop and say, you know, your opinion is flat-out wrong, and we're not going to accomodate you?

It's not like the judge realises that it's a messed up situation. He's written a letter to the children, to be given to them when they're 14, basically saying that no matter what their mum tells them, Dad did not abuse you. But to indulge her idiocy, you can't have a dad.

Maybe, just maybe, letting the kids live with the father would be better than with a credulous cretin?

Nah, that's just stupid.

[Andara Bledin]

Is there any way we can get this story without it being behind a pay wall?

Either way, how does it make any sense to take the kids away from the father when you think the mother is full of shit? How is a letter going to help against a minimum of half a decade of character-assassination from said psycho mom?

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[draco664]

Is there any way we can get this story without it being behind a pay wall?

It's not technically a paywall - just a registration wall...

But if you copy and paste the link into google, and then follow it from there, you can read the whole article. Convoluted, but possible.

Either way, how does it make any sense to take the kids away from the father when you think the mother is full of shit? How is a letter going to help against a minimum of half a decade of character-assassination from said psycho mom?

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It doesn't make sense to me at all.

Here's the letter the judge wrote.

DEAR X and Y, AFTER your mum and dad separated they could not agree about where you were to live. You were 10 and 6 at the time.
As a judge it was my job to make this decision. I had a lot of help from the lawyer who was representing you, and each of your parents, as well as an expert child psychiatrist.

Even with all of this help it was a hard, sad case to decide. This letter is to try to explain my decision to you, even though you probably won’t read it for many years.

The most important thing I want to tell you is that both your mum and dad love you very much.

They loved you from the day you were born, love you now, and will love you for the rest of their lives. Just because your dad may not have been around for a while, it does not change that he loves you.

At the time I had to decide the case your mum believed in her heart that your dad hurt you.



My job is to look at all the information, and listen very carefully to what everybody says including the experts.

I decided that you had not been hurt by your dad. Even after I told your mum what I decided, I think she still believed in her heart that your dad had hurt you.

This just goes to show that sometimes words do not change a person’s heart.

At the time of the case both of you were saying things, and doing things, that told me you did not like your dad, and did not want to spend time with him.

I don’t think you really meant this. I think maybe you were picking up the things that mum was worried about.

I listened to what you were saying, but in the end the hard decision I had to make was not because of what you were saying or doing.

I told you this was a hard, sad case to decide.

I decided that even though your dad really wanted you to live with him, it was best that you lived with mum, even though this might mean moving away from where you lived at the time.

I knew your mum would look after you really well. I decided not to make your mum let you see your dad, even though your dad wanted this very much. I thought it would make things harder for you if I had done this.

By the time you read this letter I think you will be old enough to make up your own mind. I hope you will think about contacting your dad and getting to know him again.

There are people called counsellors who can help you with how you feel about this, and help you to make it happen.

Please remember that both your mum and dad love you very much, even if they love you in different ways.

[Greenday]

Hope he's not paying child support if he's not allowed to see the kids.

[draco664]

Hope he's not paying child support if he's not allowed to see the kids.

No mention was made in the article, so I don't know one way or the other. However, I suspect that the two are distinctly separate issues.

Otherwise, you could well have people claiming to not have to pay support if they didn't want to see the kids.

Me, I'd hope that the Grandmother was also barred from seeing the kids.

[bex1218]

My brain just fried.

"Oh, you didn't do anything wrong, but you can't see your kids ever. Even if there was someone there like a social worker."

[fireheart17]

I suspect that this is one of those cases where if the custody HAD been awarded to the father, the mother would've most likely gone to the media, started slandering him and then "coaching" the children to say that daddy abused them so that she would get them.
The judges decision seemed to at least shut her up. That's my take on it.

It was good to see that the judge at least gave the letters to the children to read.

[Ginger Tea]

Knowing full well the judge regards him as innocent yet still refuses visitations, I would damn well make sure I got an exemption regarding maintenance if I was him.
Judge is ok to write a letter to the kids telling them mommy lied and shit, well he can be jusst as OK signing off on a legal form telling the relevant authorities to go suck a fuck.

[kibbles]

So instead of letting them live with the sane parent, the judge decides to condemn both children to the nut bar that think judicial decisions should be based on psychics? Yup..really makes sense *rme*

I really wish courts would get off this bender of favoring the mothers and actually favor the most suitable parent but I guess that would make too much sense.


Personally I do believe there are very legit psychics in the world, but who is to say this is one..and I do not believe it is right for judicial decisions to be based on psychics or one's belief in them IMO.

[NoMoreRetail]

WTF??? I just can't wrap my brain around this. The judge knows the dad did nothing wrong but because the mom insisted on it, he let it happen. Also the judge knows mom is feeding the kids lies as but still lets mom get full custody. Does mom come from some powerful family that has influence over the judges or something?

[gremcint]

I knew your mum would look after you really well. I decided not to make your mum let you see your dad, even though your dad wanted this very much. I thought it would make things harder for you if I had done this.

You know what fuck this judge.

actions speak louder than words no matter what this judge says on the record or in the letter he still sided with the mother.

[Andara Bledin]

As I said earlier, the judge just handed mumsie years of unchallenged character assassination.

My aunt pulled this kind of stunt on my cousins, and it took their dad getting in touch with them when they were in their mid-20's before they started to figure out their mom was a raving bitch.

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[gremcint]

And you know what I agree no visitation no child support. Also these kids have internet access and so do all their school friends they'll read this letter long before they are 14.

[Lachrymose]

Child support is not an admission fee to see the child. Withholding it would only hurt the child. (Unless some other fishy stuff is going on with misappropriation, but that's entirely separate.)

But this situation is just majorly messed up.

[SkullKing]

no visitation no child support.

They are two entirely separate things.

I am ok, with an abusive father having no visitation rights and paying a lot of money for child support.

I am also ok, with a loving caring dad who is down on his luck not having to pay child support if it is not necessary.