Racist Scholarship

[KnitShoni]

If the race requirement is simply tacked on to an average list of scholarly requirements, then why even bothering make it a racial scholarship?

I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm genuinely curious. Are they trying to even the odds for minority students? How? By cutting out students who fit the majority? How is that going to change the scoring? If a minority student earns excellent grades and scores high on any standardized tests given by the state, how is making their race a requirement going to affect their chances of earning the scholarship? By cutting the overall numbers and raising their odds?

You're asking this question when the entire point of race-based scholarships is that non-white people with excellent grades and high standardized test scores are passed over in favor of white people.

[crashhelmet]

As far as the scholarship thing: Take a look at the requirements for race-based scholarships. Race is generally another requirement added to the list you'd find for other merit-based scholarships. If you don't qualify for a regular merit-based scholarship...what makes you think you'd qualify for a race-based one? Never mind the fact that people apparently forgot how these scholarships came into being, and actively deny the fact that they are still necessary. People are complaining there are no scholarships available for white people simply for being white. I'm trying to figure out where all the scholarships are for other races simply for not being white.

I could use your exact wording to defend a White-Only scholarship. None of these proposed scholarships have been soley for having white skin. They too have had other requirements, like GPA, community service, etc. They just had "another requirement added to the list you'd find for other merit-based scholarships"

[Nyoibo]

Do you not realize that you have to go into a certain community to experience that type of discrimination, whereas a non-white person merely has to walk out their front door (provided someone doesn't break in their front door).

And to that I say bullshit, bullshit and bullshit, I'm sorry, reading that just makes me think you're trolling now.

[KnitShoni]

"White heterosexual male" breaks down into sub-groups, was my point. You can't lump all of them together because not all of them will be treated the same. A lot of factors go into it, like economic status, appearance (what you can change and what you can't), how they carry themselves, their education, speech patterns, etc. I'm not saying that a white heterosexual male is going to get more flack than the average black citizen - I realize that's a fallacy. I'm saying that there are other factors and not to simply assume that all white males have it made.

I didn't say it was a regional thing. I'm tired of explaining this 8 different ways - racism changes depending on where you go. Prejudice can be directed toward one group over another, but it doesn't disappear altogether. It can certainly be worse in some areas than others, and those are the areas to try and avoid. (Like Duelist mentioned earlier, the Bible Belt South is probably the absolute worst place for racism.)

Whereas, non-white people tend to be treated the same regardless of those other factors. The dirtiest hillbilly still has an advantage over any non-white person.

People always say "such and such area is the worst place for racism." Usually because they don't want to believe where they are could possibly be as bad. But, um...NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Hollywood...those places aren't in the bible belt south, and they tend to give the south a run for its money.

[KnitShoni]

And to that I say bullshit, bullshit and bullshit, I'm sorry, reading that just makes me think you're trolling now.

Which is perfectly fine. However, that's reality for too many people for me to care that you think I'm trolling.

[KnitShoni]

I could use your exact wording to defend a White-Only scholarship. None of these proposed scholarships have been soley for having white skin. They too have had other requirements, like GPA, community service, etc. They just had "another requirement added to the list you'd find for other merit-based scholarships"

So...you don't realize there are white-only scholarships, and have been for quite a while, now. Ok.

[Seifer]

You're asking this question when the entire point of race-based scholarships is that non-white people with excellent grades and high standardized test scores are passed over in favor of white people.

And they shouldn't be. I wonder how long that's going to be an issue. I hope one day we won't have to worry about unfairness in scoring and college acceptance.

[crashhelmet]

So...you don't realize there are white-only scholarships, and have been for quite a while, now. Ok.

I know they exist. In the beginning of this thread, I pointed out that they did in fact exist.

But you have issues like the one in Rhode Island that got shut down because "It's racist" and people like you agreeing with it because White people are already advantaged enough.

[Seifer]

Whereas, non-white people tend to be treated the same regardless of those other factors. The dirtiest hillbilly still has an advantage over any non-white person.

Again with the lumping everyone together bullshit. Not every black American is going to have your experiences. Some will have much, much, worse, and others will have much, much, better. I would bet money that somewhere in this country, there is a black American who has an advantage over a white American. You know why? Because I have faith that if an employer sees that the white American is a lazy asshole and the Black American works his/her ass off, they're not going to base their decision on race.

[KnitShoni]

I know they exist. In the beginning of this thread, I pointed out that they did in fact exist.

But you have issues like the one in Rhode Island that got shut down because "It's racist" and people like you agreeing with it because White people are already advantaged enough.

http://www.multiculturaladvantage.co...holarships.asp

This is a partial list of scholarships available for people of European descent. Are you telling me people are trying to get all these shut down?

[KnitShoni]

And they shouldn't be. I wonder how long that's going to be an issue. I hope one day we won't have to worry about unfairness in scoring and college acceptance.

Yeah. So do the people for whom these scholarships were created. You're directing your problem with this whole thing in the wrong direction.

[Seifer]

http://www.multiculturaladvantage.co...holarships.asp

This is a partial list of scholarships available for people of European descent. Are you telling me people are trying to get all these shut down?

I'm sure you didn't notice that pretty much all of those scholarships are for groups that have been (and still are) mistreated? Jewish, Polish, Irish - all of those groups have faced heavy discrimination (and still do) from several other groups.

[KnitShoni]

Again with the lumping everyone together bullshit. Not every black American is going to have your experiences. Some will have much, much, worse, and others will have much, much, better. I would bet money that somewhere in this country, there is a black American who has an advantage over a white American. You know why? Because I have faith that if an employer sees that the white American is a lazy asshole and the Black American works his/her ass off, they're not going to base their decision on race.

Show me where I said they were. I said tend. I didn't say all. Hell, I didn't even restrict my statements to black people. In the event a non-white person does end up with an advantage over a white person, they usually have to work twice as hard to get it, and then, they have to deal with people assuming they only got it because their employer was trying to fill a quota.

[crashhelmet]

http://www.multiculturaladvantage.co...holarships.asp

This is a partial list of scholarships available for people of European descent. Are you telling me people are trying to get all these shut down?

European descent =/= white

Almost all of Latin America can claim European Descent.

A large population of the Philippines can claim "European Descent." Hell, that can probably be said for almost all of south east Asia.

What's the old saying? The sun never sets on the British Empire? Add in the Spaniards and the Portuguese and there's a hell of a lot of "European Descent" around the world.

[Seifer]

Show me where I said they were. I said tend. I didn't say all.

Whereas, non-white people tend to be treated the same regardless of those other factors. The dirtiest hillbilly still has an advantage over any non-white person.

Right there - that's what I was talking about when I said you were lumping everyone together. I highly doubt "the dirtiest hillbilly" has an advantage over every non-white citizen in the country.