Racist Scholarship

[daleduke17]

Too much to quote so there's no point in it. But no one has yet to prove just one point of how my being a white male has given me privilege.

I haven't seen it either. Would be interesting to see some PROOF of this, ya know?

Too bad that some people cannot comprehend the argument for white heterosexual American male scholarships.

When I was looking for scholarships I did not qualify for a majority of them due to any of the following: being male, Caucasian, from the wrong state, not the right religion (Lutheran colleges are mainly only seminaries), not going into a certain field of study, not going to a certain college, not living in the correct town in the school district, wasn't a survivor or cancer or my parents not joining the military (my dad turned 18 in 1971, one year either way and he would have been called).

So, a white heterosexual American male scholarship would have given me something to qualify for.

[Andara Bledin]

The problem with proving that white males aren't treated the same as blacks or women is that it's a case of proving a negative, making it very difficult.

Nevermind the fact that there are people who are both white and male who have explained how they, themselves, have been treated better for both their whiteness and their maleness; since it never happened to you directly (that you're aware of), it must not exist.

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[Greenday]

If it doesn't happen to me, it doesn't apply to me.

[crashhelmet]

The problem with proving that white males aren't treated the same as blacks or women is that it's a case of proving a negative, making it very difficult.

Nevermind the fact that there are people who are both white and male who have explained how they, themselves, have been treated better for both their whiteness and their maleness; since it never happened to you directly (that you're aware of), it must not exist.

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I wish we had an actual, legitimate statistic on this. The general consensus is that people on welfare waste the money on drugs and then statistics come out that less than 2% of the applicants in Florida failed their drug tests. Statistics proved the consensus wrong in that one. I'd like to see legitimate statistics on how white people are elevated in this country.

ETA
I should also add, that just because it happens to one, it doesn't mean it happens to all.

[Nekojin]

If it doesn't happen to me, it doesn't apply to me.

This quote is such a perfect example of blindered thinking. Bravo. I'm hoping that statement is facetious, and not serious.

[Lachrymose]

Privilege in a nutshell:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/10/1...k-about-today/

[Zod]

Well, I couldn't get any of those. The last one is the only one I could apply for but because I'm not dirt poor I'd probably not get it.

But, even with the terrible burden of having to pay for college yourself, you were still able to attend, and get good enough grades to secure a decent sounding job afterwards.

Scholarships are more aimed at people who have the brains and motivation to do well, but wouldn't be able to afford to go to college otherwise.

Adminassident : I always thought scholarships were set up by wealthy philanthropists or organisations looking to buy cheap labour ( "We'll pay for your education, you work for us after graduating" sort of thing )

[Nekojin]

I wish we had an actual, legitimate statistic on this. The general consensus is that people on welfare waste the money on drugs and then statistics come out that less than 2% of the applicants in Florida failed their drug tests. Statistics proved the consensus wrong in that one. I'd like to see legitimate statistics on how white people are elevated in this country.

Oh, sure. It must all be a problem of perception, not actual, systemic bias. It's not as though we have decades of data and research on racial disparity in sentencing, or hiring, or pay. It must simply be that we're imagining these things.

[Andara Bledin]

Here's an interesting study that looks at the underlying fundamental assumptions people make about leaders versus followers, and leader effectiveness and how people's perceptions of both are tied in to race.

The basic upshot is that if you are white, you will have an advantage in business due to the a basic perception that to be a good leader, you must also be white. You will be given promotions over equally qualified minorities of all types (although Asians have a slight advantage over other non-whites). This effect is more notable in financial sectors than, say, social or cultural sectors.

This is precisely the sort of subtle, ingrained bias that so many people believe doesn't exist merely because it's not something that they feel the effects of in their daily lives, despite them having a constant and pervasive effect on our entire culture.

An interesting blog post. There's a lot of "Things we don't have to think about" that we really should.

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[Lachrymose]

An interesting blog post. There's a lot of "Things we don't have to think about" that we really should.

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Already posted above.

ETA: By a white male who understands, by the way.

[Greenday]

But, even with the terrible burden of having to pay for college yourself, you were still able to attend, and get good enough grades to secure a decent sounding job afterwards.

Scholarships are more aimed at people who have the brains and motivation to do well, but wouldn't be able to afford to go to college otherwise.

I got into college because I worked hard and got good grades. Being a white male had nothing to do with it. And while I doubt my college grades were what got me my job afterwards, even if it was, that meant it was my education that got me my job, not me being a white male.

Because I could so easily afford college. Wait, no, I had to take out loans and go thousands upon thousands of dollars of debt just to go to school. So I couldn't afford it but I went anyway.

Privilege in a nutshell:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/10/1...k-about-today/

Good thing most of that doesn't apply to where I live. Jesus, I'd hate to live where you guys do. It'd suck to live in such horrible places.

[Andara Bledin]

I got into college because I worked hard and got good grades. Being a white male had nothing to do with it. And while I doubt my college grades were what got me my job afterwards, even if it was, that meant it was my education that got me my job, not me being a white male.

Because I could so easily afford college. Wait, no, I had to take out loans and go thousands upon thousands of dollars of debt just to go to school. So I couldn't afford it but I went anyway.

But what you didn't see and what you seem to be acting like doesn't exist, is the fact that were you not white or not male, you would have had to work harder to achieve the same degree of success. Maybe not much harder, but the same level of effort would not have resulted in the same level of success.

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[Lachrymose]

To Greenday:

Really?

I mean I'm a white male who will honestly never understand what it's like to be treated in that fashion.

But can you honestly tell me you know no one who has been treated those ways? As worldly as you supposedly are?

I only live right down 95 from you. Maybe Baltimore really is that bad. I dunno.

But I surely don't have my head stuck in the sand.

[Seifer]

Just putting this out there because it's really bugging me:

I hate generalizations. I hate it when an entire group is lumped together and assumed to live parallel lives.

Not all minorities are going to be passed over for jobs, just as not all white citizens are going to be chosen over a more qualified minority. Some will (maybe a lot will, I don't know the statistics), but definitely not ALL of them will. I don't think people here are "sticking their head in the sand" or "waving off" reality - they're merely stating that it doesn't happen to everyone. It's unfair to lump an entire group together and say "YOU WILL DO THIS" or "THIS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU." Everyone will have their own unique experience, and while there may be similarities, it doesn't change the fact that no two lives will be identical.

[Greenday]

But what you didn't see and what you seem to be acting like doesn't exist, is the fact that were you not white or not male, you would have had to work harder to achieve the same degree of success. Maybe not much harder, but the same level of effort would not have resulted in the same level of success.

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Prove it.

I'll save you the trouble. You can't.

To Greenday:

Really?

I mean I'm a white male who will honestly never understand what it's like to be treated in that fashion.

But can you honestly tell me you know no one who has been treated those ways? As worldly as you supposedly are?

I only live right down 95 from you. Maybe Baltimore really is that bad. I dunno.

But I surely don't have my head stuck in the sand.

The only ones I can say happen for certain are "Today I don’t have to think about men who don’t believe no means no." and "Today I don’t have to think about eyes going to my chest first." I've never seen evidence of the other stuff happening in my life to the people around me.