CFA - is the punishment valid or illegal?

[siead_lietrathua]

i dunno. i still think if chick-fil-a had come out supporting (both "morally" and financially) something like dog-fights, noone would give a shit if they were banned from cities for being dog-fight-loving jerks.

[Rageaholic]

i dunno. i still think if chick-fil-a had come out supporting (both "morally" and financially) something like dog-fights, noone would give a shit if they were banned from cities for being dog-fight-loving jerks.

That's an interesting angle. I guess even those who are pro gay rights still feel it's up to debate. It doesn't help that the Christians who oppose it act like their stance against the gays should be respected as part of their religious beliefs.

With that said, there's a difference between supporting a company that donates money to bad causes and actually supporting the bad causes. I would venture that your average Chick Fila customer only wants a chicken sandwich. If they want to deny gays the right to marry, they would probably donate money to the groups that Chick Fila donates to. The customers should not be blames for where Chick Fila donates their money, only for where they donate their money. Buying a chicken sandwich is a morally neutral action (unless we're talking animal rights, than that's a different ballpark).

[Hyena Dandy]

Buying a chicken sandwich is a morally neutral action (unless we're talking animal rights, than that's a different ballpark).

That's true. I don't think 'anyone who buys FROM Chik-Fil-A is a horrible person' would be anything resembling a true statement. Even if their money is going to go against me, I can't really say I blame THEM for it, any more than I would blame steel mills if someone gets shot.

But, I'm not in any way compelled to buy from Chik-Fil-A, and I am totally able to call what the company does disgusting, refuse to buy from them, and actively try to get other people not to buy from them either.

It doesn't make you a bad person to buy from them, but it does mean you're giving money to someone who donates to people working against equal rights.

[siead_lietrathua]

i havent heard people saying "if you buy from chick-fil-a you're evil". i've heard "Hey, chick-fil-a is saying/ putting money into some pretty negative stuff. here's the information." and then other people/ccompanies going "thanks. i've read the information and have chosen to not deal with them anymore" OR "i dont care, i am not getting involved in this issue and will not let it effect my consumer choices"
thou it tends to be worded more like "chick-fil-a sucks!!! don't eat there!!!!" and "screw that i loves my chicken noms!"

[BlaqueKatt]

"active contribution"

So if a company donates money to a cause you disagree with, then they can legally be sanctioned against?

So who gets to decide which views or causes can be supported and which cannot? And how does this NOT violate the 1A since you'd be using the government to dictate what people can and cannot support.

They are supporting discrimination based on sexual orientation, which is illegal in the city of Chicago/state of Illinois.

Some background on their history and franchises from Forbes. They can lose their franchise if they hire a "sinful" employee, so forced discrimination on several fronts.....

[fireheart17]

Gloria Jeans as in the coffee?

Yes, as in the coffee. The owners as well are active members of the Hillsong movement down here (which has been known for being somewhat more pronounced in their homophobia).

Personally I don't drink the stuff

[Duelist925]

The Godfather nor any of his henchmen will let a small things likes rights and laws from stopping them, this is Chicago we talking about. Chicago is one of the most if not the most politically corrupt places in the nation. Huey Long was a piker compared to this bunch. The Chicago machine will hold this opinion until the right wheels get greased.

Where I running CFA I'd take an opposite turn. I'd just flat out say the Godfather and his henchmen have made it plain we are not welcome to expand further business in the area so effective immediately in the greater Chicago area we're closing all stores and firing all employees. We will not be bullied, let it be known that the Godfather and his henchmen are more interested in pandering instead of letting jobs be created, we are leaving because of them and them alone. I'd specify the taxes that were going to be lost, wages and costs to the citizens of IL of those let-go.

That being said I don't patronize CFA because they over cook and over price their food. Besides it's nothing special that you can't get else where.

Something I find ironic about the Godfather he has all this hate for CFA but just jumps up and down in glee that Louis Farrakhan and his breatheren are in town trying to stop the gang violence (which I personally have no problem with them doing this, because it needs doing.) In effect the Godfather is saying it's better to be a racist that calls for violence than folks that believe in traditional marriage. Yeah that makes a lot of sense for an opinion of a Jewish mayor.

Im sorry but...godfather? Care to elaborate? Has the mafia, mob, or other hierarchical organized crime group stepped into the debate?

[siead_lietrathua]

i think godfather and henchmen was being used sarcastically to represent the mayor.

[Nekojin]

i think godfather and henchmen was being used sarcastically to represent the mayor.

When it's used consistently over an entire, multi-paragraph post, I don't tend to assume sarcasm or facetious usage. While she might be exaggerating for effect, I don't think it's a stretch to think that Tanasi actually believes that Rahm Emanuel is a high-order criminal.

[siead_lietrathua]

When it's used consistently over an entire, multi-paragraph post, I don't tend to assume sarcasm or facetious usage. While she might be exaggerating for effect, I don't think it's a stretch to think that Tanasi actually believes that Rahm Emanuel is a high-order criminal.

or that some senses of humor are diffrent than others....
kinda like when i refer to my brother as the devil. i dont really belive he is. but it amuses the hell out of me to call him that.

[Tanasi]

i think godfather and henchmen was being used sarcastically to represent the mayor.

Ding Ding Ding give this person a prize. Rahm Emanual is referred to as the Godfather by Matt Drudge. The henchmen while not original was my ideal.

[HYHYBT]

They are supporting discrimination based on sexual orientation, which is illegal in the city of Chicago/state of Illinois.

Some background on their history and franchises from Forbes. They can lose their franchise if they hire a "sinful" employee, so forced discrimination on several fronts…..

Supporting discrimination (in the sense of advocating for it or donating money to do so) cannot be illegal. It's disgusting, but it's legal.

I'd love to know where they find sin-free employees.

When it's used consistently over an entire, multi-paragraph post, I don't tend to assume sarcasm or facetious usage. While she might be exaggerating for effect, I don't think it's a stretch to think that Tanasi actually believes that Rahm Emanuel is a high-order criminal.

It's a fairly common belief about the city government of Chicago.

[Dreamstalker]

Supporting discrimination (in the sense of advocating for it or donating money to do so) cannot be illegal. It's disgusting, but it's legal.

Supporting it may not be, but to actively do so can/should be. In MA it is illegal for employers to discriminate based on certain personal factors and sexual orientation/marital status are included in the list.

[siead_lietrathua]

i think i know what bothers me about the thread title. it's saying that people puling out of doing business with, or not wanting Chick-Fil-a in their towns, is a "punishment".
maybe i'm in the minority, but i just see it as people with a stance on an issue diffrent than other people, and choosing not to associate with those people.
henson didnt say they were in disagreement with Chick-Fil-A and donated money to GLAAD to "punish" chick-fil-a. chicago isn't telling chick-fil-a it's not welcome as a "punishment". they jsut don't want to be associated with people they think are bigots.
it's like kicking creepy uncle bob out of the house because he things the FBI is run by lawn gnomes. it's not a punishment, it's a refusal to accociate with.

[bainsidhe]

While in this instance I completely agree with the mayor and city telling CFA they're not wanted, I realize that I'd feel differently in different situations. For example, NYC had a big to-do when an Islamic center was going to be built in a location not so far from Ground Zero. They weren't breaking any laws and they were simply exercising their right to religion. The furor generated from the idea that a mosque would be built anywhere near the twin towers was unbelievable. Truth is, I kinda stepped back from that whole debate, because while I completely support people's rights to build an Islamic center, I don't live in NYC and didn't lose anyone in the towers, thus I don't have an emotional reaction. It's sad for all involved.