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    The above line was said to me by a friend as I was preparing to pay a bill after a night out at a sports bar because he thought I was about to tip too little (only 7 percent). In my opinion I had a good reason to.

    What reason was that? Poor service.

    Oh the drinks weren't that bad but the server left a lot to be desired. She was prompt when taking our initial orders, but after that we hardly saw her. She came by maybe twice in an entire hour to ask us how things were, etc.

    She seemed rather distracted and disinterested in us the whole time.

    The real kicker came at the end though. There were five of us and we needed the bill split up as follows: One check for me and my fiancee and one each for my three buddies who were there. We had told her this the moment we asked for the bill.

    So what does she do? Put everything on ONE CHECK.

    I calmly explain to her again how we wanted the check split up. She apologizes and comes back again, this time with four separate checks like we wanted.

    But she'd screwed them all up. My check, which was supposed to include myself and my fiancee instead had my order and one of my friends orders. One of my friends had my fiancees order and another friend had been billed for a dish than NONE of us had ordered!

    I grabbed all the checks, walked up to the bar and explained to our server that the checks were still wrong and needed to be fixed. She finally got them right and when I went back to the table to pass them out was when my friend hit me with the title of the post.

    Firstly I do not agree with him. I get the nature of the industry in the U.S. where servers RELY on tips to get by since they get a low wage, but to me a tip is something given in return for good or exceptional service.

    As far as I see it, if the service is bad, you shouldn't get a tip at all but again, I understand the nature of the economy here. So, fighting my urges to write a big "0" on the tip line I instead tipped only seven percent.

    My friend was extremely upset but I told him it was my decision and my money. If he wants to always tip 15% no matter what he can do so. Likewise if i want tip less than 15% I can do so as well.

    I'm simply not going to give a server who gave us such a poor experience an average tip. That accomplishes nothing save getting the restaurant out of paying some wages to its employees.

    I wrote up a complaint letter to the manager the next day but never got around to sending it. I really should have though.

    We never went back to that bar again.
    Last edited by Crazedclerkthe2nd; 09-27-2012, 12:13 AM.

  • #2
    I had a similar discussion with a friend of mine on Sunday. A common saying here in Vegas is "Live by the tip, die by the tip." As a result, people that work for tips generally tip more than is the norm. Some people like me that used to work on tips still live by this.

    Sunday, a friend and I went to a Buffalo Wild Wings by our houses to watch the football games. The bartender there gave us absolutely horrible service. It took a while to get our drinks, which we excused because it was packed, but it took over an hour before we finally got a food order in. This despite her asking us several times if we were ready to order and then walked away when we said yes. Another time, she asked if my friend wanted another cider and never brought it.

    The other bartender on shift was spot on when he was helping us. The food servers were great when they knew who ordered the food (That was another thing she screwed up).

    When it came time to close out and leave her a tip, I had to go back and forth as to how much I wanted to leave. Normally, I would've left as much as 30% I finally settled on 15% after taking into account that she'd still have to tip out the servers as well as probably split tips with the other bartender. If it was just her, it would've been a couple bucks on an almost $70 tab.
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    • #3
      I tend to tip a little over 15% if I think the service was decent.

      I'm not nearly as generous when the server is substandard, however. Ignoring me or repeatedly screwing things up will chip percentage points off steadily.

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      • #4
        I always tip at least 20% unless the service is absolutely terrible. Even if it's a little substandard and it doesn't seem chronic, I'll still tip 20%, because everybody has an off day or a day when they're short staffed and run ragged.

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        • #5
          I try to tip well to the point people comment sometimes but if the service was bad I don't know if I'd tip at all. First it's never come up when I'm the one paying for the meal. Also I know the difference between bad waitress and bad cook etc, so I wouldn't punish the waitress unless it was her fault.

          But in my opinion if the bill is for the food and the tip is for the service why should I tip for service I didn't get. If anything if the waitress still gets tipped well when she does a shitty job then you're reinforcing bad behaviour.

          I really think people get way to bent out of shape on the whole thing, but I understand, up here in Canada it's different we don't treat waitstaff as slave labour only paying them 2 dollars an hour. It is a lower minimum wage but not ridiculously so I believe.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jaden View Post
            I always tip at least 20% unless the service is absolutely terrible. Even if it's a little substandard and it doesn't seem chronic, I'll still tip 20%, because everybody has an off day or a day when they're short staffed and run ragged.
            That's pretty much the way I do it. We all have an off day once in awhile, but what CC described was pretty bad. I'd have shaved off a tip for that too.

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            • #7
              Speaking as a current pizza delivery driver and a person who has waited tables in the past, I also tend to be overly generous with tips.

              Having said that, however, I DO know my standards for good+, good, average, bad and horrible service in these situations.

              Also having said the above: tipping IS NOT manditory but is recommended because of the "restaurant culture and pay scale" here in the US for tipped employees.

              I do on rare occasions order pizza delivery. Unless the driver is rude or very uncaring or distracted at the door (as I do not know them from some stranger on the street since I do not order all that much) they get at least 15 - 20% (more if the weather is crappy).

              ON the job I tend to be as cheerfull and attentive at the door as I can. I know lots of dogs, children, cats (esp the ones who love to try and escape and the ones who just cock their head and look at me strange), interesting things in customers houses, flower gardens, sports teams, etc. to have a repate with the many regulars I deliver to.

              BUT for the regular serial stiffer (AND every driver knows who they are), they get the minimum required service at the door as I have tried too many times in the past to "turn them around" so to speak and failed.

              the one bad thing is customers "believe" that the Delivery Charge goes to the driver and that that "fee" is the drivers automatic tip. This is FALSE. The DC goes directly to the store and stays there.

              When I do go out to eat it does take crappy service to NOT tip my usual 20%. I know lots of places want the servers to continuially "check on" tables but sometimes it gets annoying but I will not take it out on the server. NOr will I take most anything else out on the server unless it is warranted.

              I judge every situation differently ie. slow or packed, attiitude, friendliness, etc.

              Yes I will go to the MOD if something is amiss.

              so remember a tip is not an absolute requirement. it is based (at least in my case) on service quality.
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              • #8
                Disclaimer: I live in ENGLAND and tipping is different there.

                I will only tip if I get good service. If the service is rubbish, the server will get nothing. As far as I'm concerned, I don't see the point of rewarding terrible service; where's the incentive to do better? When I'm out with friends, and we're tipping, we'll all toss in a pound for the tip just so that one person isn't stuck with the whole amount.
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                • #9
                  With me I have a scale...


                  Delivery,
                  Great service = 2 gallons of gas at the last known price
                  Good service = 1 gallon of gas
                  Bad service = 2 - 3.00

                  Resteraunt
                  Great Service = 25-30%
                  Good service = 15-20%
                  Meh Service = 10%
                  Bad Service = 5%
                  Insulting Service = 0% and a talk to the manager

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                  • #10
                    Delivery Drivers get $5, $10 in bad weather.

                    Waiters - 20% for great, 15% for okay, 10% for crap

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                    • #11
                      In general, I think you're right... but one thing nags at me: only telling them you want separate checks *after* the meal is over. I would expect that to be a reasonable source of confusion, and would weigh how they handled correcting any errors in dividing it up far more heavily than whether they made any in the first place.
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                      • #12
                        last I remember it, 10% was considered a good tip for average service, 15% was for good service. Now people are saying 15% should be for standard service? kind of quick inflation there. ( i live in the UK, where any tip is for good service. On the other hand,servers get at least the minimum wage, so it's less of a problem for a server if they don't get any tips. when I do tip, it's usually around 10%)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by s_stabeler View Post
                          last I remember it, 10% was considered a good tip for average service, 15% was for good service. Now people are saying 15% should be for standard service? kind of quick inflation there. ( i live in the UK, where any tip is for good service. On the other hand,servers get at least the minimum wage, so it's less of a problem for a server if they don't get any tips. when I do tip, it's usually around 10%)
                          I live in the states and I usually tip 20% for decent service. 25% if it's exceptional, and 15% if it's just OK. These are all after tax. I'm easy to impress, though, and typically give 20%.

                          I don't think I've ever encountered such dismal service that I even considered leaving no tip. There was a time here or there where someone ignored us for most of the time, took a long time to even get us water, and was overall a poor waiter/waitress which I'd give 10% to.

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                          • #14
                            I have to be really pissed off to leave less than 10, especially in restaurants where I know they have to tip out to bussers and bartenders.

                            It would have to be pretty dismal service for me to stiff, which would require the waitress to actually owe money after serving me.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HYHYBT View Post
                              In general, I think you're right... but one thing nags at me: only telling them you want separate checks *after* the meal is over. I would expect that to be a reasonable source of confusion, and would weigh how they handled correcting any errors in dividing it up far more heavily than whether they made any in the first place.
                              After more pondering on this, I believe we did tell her once early on too but reminded her again because we'd been there awhile and she hadn't paid us much attention so we weren't sure if she remembered what we wanted or not.

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