Bar throws out Double leg amputee Marine after another guys picks a fight

[Panacea]

I'm seething over this story. Seems a disabled Marine (double leg amputee), his wife, and a couple of friends went to a bar. They were singled out because they were wearing Dallas Cowboy jerseys (this is Panther country) by a local asshat, who picks a fight and tells the Marine not to use his wheelchair as a crutch.

So who gets kicked out? The Marine!

http://www.news-record.com/content/2...#nrcRgn_PgBody

This is just infuriating. That's one establishment I will make sure I don't patronize next time I'm in Charlotte.

[Andara Bledin]

Unfortunately, sometimes the best option isn't the right option.

It would have been correct for the patrons doing the hassling to have been tossed, but it's likely that those patrons were more numerous and less rational than the family who had just arrived, and thus, it's actually safer to ask the new arrivals to depart as opposed to trying to reason with people who have already displayed that they are unreasonable.

The ringleader was apparently ready to fight before they even got in the door, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he might have turned on someone else for defending the people he was harassing.

It's worth noting that the article was mostly from the manager's point of view and that he had actually asked them not to leave while they were talking to police about what happened. He's banned the individual responsible for starting the altercation. Also, apparently, other patrons prevented him from actually getting physical.

Personally, I think the guy who started it is just a micro-phallic coward who wanted an excuse to fight with someone that couldn't possibly stand up to him, in any sense of the word.

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[crashhelmet]

I went through something similar to this almost 2 months ago.

I was with friends at a karaoke bar when I fight spilled out from the bar area into the dining/entertainment room. Instead of anyone trying to stop the fight, people were crowding around them like it was a fight in elementary school. So I got up, walked across the room, and broke it up. Almost immediately, everyone is getting on my case about stopping the fight.

I'm trying to keep the 2 separated, while listening to everyone yell at me with no valid reasons for letting them fight, when the aggressor gets passed me and attacks the other guy again. I tried to pull him off, but he resisted, so I put him into head and arm lock and pulled him back.

This is when "security" finally shows up. Or at least people claiming to be security. I am now being thrown out for putting my hands on an employee. The aggressor, it turns out was an off duty bartender there. Everyone was letting him do his thing because of this and they were protecting their friend.

I suspect it's what happened here. They kicked out the strangers and protected their friend "Tank"

[telecom_goddess]

so this fight started over a sports team? I will never understand why people give that much of a shit over sports. You don't see that crap breaking out over favorite actors or music performers.

[Tanasi]

Unfortunately this kind of treatment toward veterans isn't new. I was harassed after having returned from Viet Nam and again after GW-I. There had to have been other veterans there, it's a shame that none of them stepped in and stopped it.

[Greenday]

so this fight started over a sports team? I will never understand why people give that much of a shit over sports. You don't see that crap breaking out over favorite actors or music performers.

I'm all for giving people shit about who they root for, but normally it's either in casual conversation or they are being obnoxious. If someone just enters a bar or restaurant wearing a jersey of a tea I hate, I just ignore them.

People are stupid.

[lordlundar]

I can see this place showing up on Bar Rescue, John asking the owner why business is so shit, the owner mentioning this and John just saying "So you allowed the asshole to stay while you kicked out the polite ones? YOU ARE AN IDIOT!" and walk away.

[Andara Bledin]

Did anyone actually read the article?

The manager showed up and asked the people who were heckled to stay, but they chose not to.

The guy doing the heckling and being all aggressive was turfed and told not to come back, and was reported to not be a regular at that establishment.

Unless you guys are going off of things that were mentioned in other reports, I'm wondering whether a lot of the conjecture here has any basis in fact.

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[crashhelmet]

Did anyone actually read the article?

The manager showed up and asked the people who were heckled to stay, but they chose not to.

The guy doing the heckling and being all aggressive was turfed and told not to come back, and was reported to not be a regular at that establishment.

Unless you guys are going off of things that were mentioned in other reports, I'm wondering whether a lot of the conjecture here has any basis in fact.

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"On Sunday, staff members asked Garrett Carnes and his party to leave, while they took Tank to another area of the restaurant."

The Marine and his family were turfed. "Tank" was taken back into the restaurant. The owner might've banned him after the fact, but he was not turfed then and there. The staff kicked out the innocent party and kept the guilty party.

[Andara Bledin]

I never said that it wasn't handled badly at the start, only that the result was that the troublemaker was turfed and banned.

The post above mine was trying to suggest that the owner screwed up (he didn't) and that it was SOP for the location (which his actions suggest either isn't the case or definitely won't be after this incident).

Plus, the victim's veteran status (mentioned ad nauseum) is completely irrelevant to the situation at hand and is only really useful to incite rage. The idea that anyone would belittle anyone without legs and accuse them of using their lack of limbs as a "crutch" is abhorrent, whether the victim was in that situation due to military service or just bad luck crossing the street.

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[HYHYBT]

so this fight started over a sports team? I will never understand why people give that much of a shit over sports. You don't see that crap breaking out over favorite actors or music performers.

Actors and music performers don't generally compete in the sense that sports teams do.

[Andara Bledin]

I'd be willing to bet that there have been stupid bar fights over American Idol favorites... >_>

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[telecom_goddess]

I'd be willing to bet that there have been stupid bar fights over American Idol favorites... >_>

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omg I hope not!! But really the frenzy people have over teams is crazy.

[lordlundar]

The post above mine was trying to suggest that the owner screwed up (he didn't) and that it was SOP for the location (which his actions suggest either isn't the case or definitely won't be after this incident).

I didn't say that the owner screwed up, at least not directly. However he did hire staff who made the boneheaded play of the year at that bar and first impressions mean a lot, especially when the media gets involved.

However indirectly, he was responsible for the bad press that occurred and his business will suffer. To quote an old phrase, you don't get a second chance to make a first impression.

[Andara Bledin]

Also, as I mentioned above, chances are that having the victims leave was actually the best option at the time. Mob mentality being what it is, it's far easier to have a small group that just arrived depart again than to have what could end up being an entire bar full of people get ugly.

Also, while the victims are not at fault at all for the instigator being an asshole, they could have hedged their bets against discovering his assholishness by not wearing the colors of a team that was rival to the locals. Just like you shouldn't leave your keys in your car, or your laptop unattended in public, you shouldn't act in a manner that might anger an asshole who is already, based on location, at least somewhat drunk.

I'm still not certain that the staff didn't make the right decision. I do think that they didn't handle it as well as they should have, but I imagine that even most of us, put in such a potentially volatile situation, would likely have made similar choices.

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