PETA: yet more insanity

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I love how these kind, compassionate, caring PETA members not ONLY killed 96 animals, but then dumped their poor bodies into a Piggly Wiggly dumpster because they were too stinky to get all the way back to their crematorium.

I also love the fact the PETA has a fucking crematorium!

Hypocrisy is everywhere, especially PETA, who often protest shelters forced to do the same thing

Has me quoting Thulsa Doom with alarming regularity...

[ladyneeva]

Even the few shelter dogs who are not psychological wrecks in one way or another are not always going to be suitable for everyone. Dogs aren't interchangeable... a year old 50lb lab/dane/pit mix who has never been trained at all is probably NOT a good fit for a 70 year old petite woman with osteoporosis for instance, and a 10 year old pug is probably not a good match for a 20 year old guy into marathons who wants a running buddy.

Not to mention that the 'if you get a purebred, a shelter dog dies' statement assumes that if someone's favorite breed isn't available they'll be perfectly ok taking just any dog instead. Will the shelter dog be any less dead if the person doesn't adopt a dog because there aren't any in the shelter that they want?

[AdminAssistant]

I don't agree with the notion that a shelter dog dies if you buy a puppy from a breeder. However, I really don't understand the hang ups people have about breeds. "Oh, it has to be a Pomeranian" or "It has to be a golden lab." Why the hell does it matter? Sure, I can understand general size (an elderly woman would prefer a small, gentle dog to a big, hyper one) and personality issues, but those vary from animal to animal.

Personally, I like mutts. The family pet (he lives with my parents) is a mutt that got dumped on our doorstep as a puppy. Now he's a big, dopey, lovable dog. Yeah, he's got a bit of lab and hound in him, but that doesn't matter one bit. All that matters is that he's perfect for my family, regardless of 'breed'.

I really really really do not understand these people who breed and buy 'designer' dogs. Puggles? Labradoodles? WTF? It's a dog. A DOG. You just paid over $1000 for something that licks its butt.

While buying a pet at a shop is not the source of all evil, the vast majority of people would be fine adopting from a shelter. Not all shelter animals have been abused.

[the_std]

The only reason I would ever buy a dog over adopting is allergy issues. I love dogs, but am crazy allergic to most of them. I would watch the pound for a while, see if one came up that I could adopt first, but if that didn't happen, I'd go to buy a dog. Maybe even a labradoodle, because they were first bred to be "hypoallergenic" (really, just reduced-allergen) for people in my situation.

Like I said, there are a few reasons to buy, but adopting is preferable.

[Lace Neil Singer]

While buying a pet at a shop is not the source of all evil, the vast majority of people would be fine adopting from a shelter. Not all shelter animals have been abused.

Agreed. The family dog that we used to have was adopted; she hadn't been abused, just neglected. So, she was well trained and very good natured, just with a few health problems (bad teeth, obesity, over long claws) that were soon sorted out.

As for the whole "designer dog" thing, that's bullshit. It's not a "labradoodle"; it's a mongrel. A new breed doesn't get established for decades, at least that's what I thought.

[AdminAssistant]

It's not a "labradoodle"; it's a mongrel.

Just like to say that adopting a mongrel is great, paying tons of money for a specially bred mongrel is just plain dumb, like labradoodles and the like. (From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)

[the_std]

(From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)

Labradoodles were originally bred to be "hypoallergenic" (impossible, only an animal without skin is hypoallergenic), but because of the poodle influence, they're greatly allergen-reduced. I agree that the designer label they've gotten is ridiculous, as are a lot of the prices charged for them, but they originally had a purpose.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Just like to say that adopting a mongrel is great, paying tons of money for a specially bred mongrel is just plain dumb, like labradoodles and the like. (From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)

Oh, I wasn't implying that mongrels were somehow bad; my dog was a mongrel, she was a collie cross. However, I didn't call her a Collieheinz as if that was a proper breed, the way some of these people refer to labradoodles and puggles as being so. What's wrong with saying "crossbred" or "mongrel"?

As for paying tons of money, well the saying does go "A fool and his money are soon parted." -.-

[Vagabond]

(From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)

I've known a few labs and they've never been stupid. But all dogs are slightly different. Some are smarter, some have more personality and others you wish you could turn into a chili.

[elsporko]

Oh, I wasn't implying that mongrels were somehow bad; my dog was a mongrel, she was a collie cross. However, I didn't call her a Collieheinz as if that was a proper breed, the way some of these people refer to labradoodles and puggles as being so. What's wrong with saying "crossbred" or "mongrel"?

As for paying tons of money, well the saying does go "A fool and his money are soon parted." -.-

All dogs are a cross between something and something else. If they are intentionally making these breeds what makes them not a breed?

[Lace Neil Singer]

I believe I stated earlier that a breed needs to be around for a certain length of time before it's established.

A breed is not considered an established breed until it's accepted by the Kennel Club/American Kennel Club. For example, the Labradoodle is not recognised as a breed by either.

http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet...abradoodle.htm

Not classified – a cross between a Labradors (Gundog Group) and a Poodle (Utility Group) used as family pets, companions, agility/obedience, also assistance and therapy dogs particularly for children... The breed is not recognised yet by Kennel Club.

I believe the crosses were first done in 1988; which is far too early as yet for the Kennel Club to recognise the Labradoodle as an established breed. In comparison, the Afghan Hound, which shares a common ancestor with the Pharoah Hound and was very likely the result of a cross, has origins can be dated back for at least 5000 years to antiquity.

Let's pick a more recent established breed. The American Cocker Spaniel. Origins of this breed are in the 1800s and the breed was first registered by the Kennel Club in 1878.

[Dreamstalker]

(From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)

I dogsat for one last week. If you think both breeds are bad already, try controlling one whose only training has been "Puppies For Dummies" (and not very well at that). This dog is smart but dumb if that makes any sense (her owners are so lax she thinks she can get away with anything).

Not properly leash trained, and she's a regular terror at the off-leash dog park. The one time I took her over there hoping she'd run off some energy, I had to break up a scuffle that looked like it was about to get bad...the labradoodle's owner says "oh she just likes to play"--that was not playing.

I have met nice ones, but they need to be trained well. This one is not.

My first dog when I was a pup literally appeared on my grandparents' doorstep one day. He had obviously belonged to someone; we know he had Setter in him but that's about it. He was extremely protective of me in particular; if I was playing outside and mom had to go in for something he would sit watching me until she came back (if anyone came into the yard he would start snarling and barking up a storm). She got some flack from a couple people about "leaving your daughter alone with such a big dog"

[IDrinkaRum]

PETA is going after a local "fish out" tradition

Starting this Friday, in my little town of Lake Ridge, Virginia (which is part of Woodbridge), at a local swimming pool, the Lake Ridge Park and Recreation Association is going to be adding special pond-like water into one of the local fishing pools and stocking it with rainbow trout.

PETA even has a form letter found here that is tryingn to encourage the General Manager of the LRPRA to forgo this fish out and have a "humane celebration" instead.

You know. I've never gone fishing. Never planned on going fishing. I hate fish. I hate hooks. I hate having to bait hooks. Even cleaning, and de-boning and de-scaling and whatever else that entails the fish to be edible ... I have no desire to have anything to do with it. However, because PETA is boycotting this event, I want to go and participate.

[protege]

However, because PETA is boycotting this event, I want to go and participate.

I'd do it just to torque them off. Plus, I'm a member of the *other* PETA. You know, "People Eating Tasty Animals"

Seriously though, in recent years, I've heard quite a few stories about animal rights activists harassing hunters on public game lands, and even on their own property. Seriously? You're going after people, some of which are *heavily* armed, and you're busting their balls about their hobby...or trying to feed their family? Not too smart, IMHO.

[Ginger Tea]

There are somethings about animals, or the treatment thereof I don't like.
I don't see the point to blood sports, fox hunting, hare coarsing (I think thats the term) and animal testing are the main ones.

Fox hunting, should the umpteenth bill be passed in both the houses of parlement and then the house of lords, how many fox hounds would be killed and how many foxes lives saved?
Answer, fucking loads and none at all.
Foxes are culled yearly, only a few are set aside for the hunts, so banning the fox hunt saves no foxes what so ever and fox hounds are not bred to be domesticated animals, that toddler yanking on the tail would be dead in seconds flat.

Hare coarsing badger baiting and other bloodsports iir are already illigal in the UK it's just hard to police as they are done far away from prying eyes.

Animal testing, the neccessary evil, if animals were never tested again, how many humans would sign up for the initial testing? Apparantly software modeling has come along in leaps and bounds and can mimic the desired effects, if thats true all well and good.
Also they say they can cure Altzhimers in rat's, how in the love of did they even find out the rat had Altzhimers in the first place?

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There are somethings about animal slaughter for meat I have to accept if I want to eat meat.
I know that an animal died for me to eat it, I'm happy with that to be on my concience (crap can't spell that word) I do not know of the cirumstances of its death, or living conditions and tbh nor do I care. I worked with a guy who used to work in an abbetoir and one time he told me that he, or someone else there, took a crowbar to a pen of pigs and beat them all to death instead of stunning them like he should have, he probably would have lost his job if someone had seen him, but he said that he or the other person (it's been years since I was told this tale I forget which) just wanted to get rid of alot of stress and piggies were gonna die anyway.

I would not eat a domesticated animal, well cat's or dog's, others due to preference or impracticalites.
I can not bring myself to eat shrimp, prawns or other seakittens that look back at me with their dead black eyes, having said that I watched a cow getting slaughtered on TV and wanted a steak all through the show.

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I'd do it just to torque them off. Plus, I'm a member of the *other* PETA. You know, "People Eating Tasty Animals"

Seriously though, in recent years, I've heard quite a few stories about animal rights activists harassing hunters on public game lands, and even on their own property. Seriously? You're going after people, some of which are *heavily* armed, and you're busting their balls about their hobby...or trying to feed their family? Not too smart, IMHO.

I like the sounds of that PETA
Hunt sabotours have caused horses injuries that have resulted in said horse being offed yet afaik not once saved a fox.
Fishing/hunting for food I agree with, the whole catch and release practice I don't get, cook the damn fish or don't fish at all.
And if I was a hunter and an activisit got in the way of my gun and dinner, well I guess I will be serving long pig tonight.

Fur/Leather, as a by product of the food industry I don't care what they do with all the left over bit's, killing something just for the fur and leaving the rest to rot = bad, something should benefit from the meat even if it's cheapo pet food.