Stuebenville High School Rape

[RedRoseSpiral]

Anonymous Leaks Horrifying Video of Stuebenville High Schoolers Joking About Raping a Teenager ‘Deader than Trayvon Martin

This is the reason I never went to parties in high school. The rape culture in the US is un-fucking-believable.

"What if that was your daughter?" one guy says. "But it isn't," he says.

This lack of empathy frightens me on levels I wish I didn't know exist. If it isn't associated with me, I don't care is what they're saying. They don't care that they're ruining someone's life, invading them in one of the most intimate ways possible. The fact adults have been covering this up to save their precious fucking high school football time disturbs me even more.

[RedRoseSpiral]

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[Jaden]

This is horrible and disgusting. It's also one drunk college guy making distasteful jokes while his peers film him in order to humiliate him and make him look like the awful person he is. It's a video that was exposed on the internet by, most likely, other Americans in order to show people that he's a sick human being.

This is an important distinction. The only people joking about an actual raped girl are people that pretty much everybody in the world is going to agree is a terrible person. It's not a "rape culture." It's a handful of sick human beings.

[AmbrosiaWriter]

It's not a "rape culture." It's a handful of sick human beings.

We do have a rape culture, and it's not just because some people make distasteful jokes.

There is a prevailing line of thought in this country that if a woman is raped, it is because she asked for it in some manner. By dressing slutty, by being drunk, by going out at night, or by somehow, maybe giving signals to the guy that she wanted it. Or, that she has "buyer's remorse" and is claiming rape to disguise the fact that she made a bad decision. The US of A tends to victim blame hard when a rape occurs, and instead of telling those who rape to not rape, to behave properly, we tell women to cover up and do X, Y, and Zed in order to not get raped.

Slowly, I believe, it is getting changed as more and more people are trying to draw attention to it, but as of right now, a woman raped can expect to have her sexual history dragged through the mud in court to try and paint her as a slut/whore who is having "buyer's remorse."

[HYHYBT]

The US of A tends to victim blame hard when a rape occurs, and instead of telling those who rape to not rape, to behave properly, we tell women to cover up and do X, Y, and Zed in order to not get raped.

That is NOT the same thing as blaming women for getting raped, and anyone who deliberately blurs the distinction between telling someone ways to minimize their risk of being attacked and saying those who have been attacked somehow deserved it is pretty disgusting in their own right.

It's like saying you shouldn't tell people it's a bad idea to leave valuables in the seat of their car because that's blaming them for getting their windows smashed and their stuff stolen.

Or, that she has "buyer's remorse" and is claiming rape...

I have no doubt that this is a rare occurrence, but can you say for certain it NEVER happens for any motive whatsoever?

[RedRoseSpiral]

It wasn't a drunk college guy. It was a teenager who goes to high school with the girl. Some of the reports I've read say that this video was taken while the victim was in the house after she was raped. While I can't verify that, it has been verified that this douchbag Michael Nodianos is the victims peer.

The rape culture bit I can't say better than what Ambrosia has. This is prevalent in the USA. It isn't taught that you shouldn't rapde. Instead, it's taught how not to be raped and you're in the wrong if you are even if you took the steps you were told would make you unrapeable.

[Jaden]

Ok, fine, stupid high school guy, not much distinction. It absolutely is taught that you shouldn't rape. I don't know what kind of people you grew up around, but "no means no" was never far from counsel given to me or other young men around me. While there are people who say that "women were asking for it" when they are raped, they are the same type of people who say evolution is from Satan and the earth is 6,000 years old. In other words, crazy people who are loud, but who all sensible people recognize as crazy.

I'm not saying that rape isn't a problem, just that I don't think there's a "culture" surrounding it the same way that, say, there's a culture of racism in certain places in America.

[Nekojin]

We do have a rape culture, and it's not just because some people make distasteful jokes.

There is a prevailing line of thought in this country that if a woman is raped, it is because she asked for it in some manner. By dressing slutty, by being drunk, by going out at night, or by somehow, maybe giving signals to the guy that she wanted it. Or, that she has "buyer's remorse" and is claiming rape to disguise the fact that she made a bad decision. The US of A tends to victim blame hard when a rape occurs, and instead of telling those who rape to not rape, to behave properly, we tell women to cover up and do X, Y, and Zed in order to not get raped.

Not to be rude, but bullshit. It is far from a "prevailing line of thought." It's a fringe culture of people who believe that they can absolutely control every aspect of their lives, and likewise believe that other people can control every aspect of their lives. The very thought that someone could commit some atrocity (and yes, rape is an atrocity, in my mind) on them is so foreign, so scary that they just can't wrap their minds around it. So they reason that the victim must have done something to cause it. I don't like the way she looks, so blame her mode of dress.

The truth of the matter is that rape is a crime of intent. It doesn't happen by accident, and the person committing the rape is completely and wholly responsible for his (or her) actions. A woman could walk through town naked and that wouldn't excuse a rape.

Slowly, I believe, it is getting changed as more and more people are trying to draw attention to it, but as of right now, a woman raped can expect to have her sexual history dragged through the mud in court to try and paint her as a slut/whore who is having "buyer's remorse."

That's a courtroom tactic, where each side is trying to make the other side look as bad as possible, and that doesn't just happen in rape cases. Any time that the victim is reluctant, unwilling, or unable to defend themselves, you can definitely expect the defense attorney to paint the victim with the dirtiest brush possible. Observe Rodney King, or Trayvon Martin. The defense on the Zimmerman case is expected to paint Martin as a druggie, thuggie punk ganger who routinely broke into lockers at school and was casing houses in the neighborhood for later burglary on the night of the shooting.

Don't take courtroom mud as an example of society as a whole. It's an entirely different world there.

[crashhelmet]

We do have a rape culture, and it's not just because some people make distasteful jokes.

There is a prevailing line of thought in this country that if a woman is raped, it is because she asked for it in some manner. By dressing slutty, by being drunk, by going out at night, or by somehow, maybe giving signals to the guy that she wanted it. Or, that she has "buyer's remorse" and is claiming rape to disguise the fact that she made a bad decision. The US of A tends to victim blame hard when a rape occurs, and instead of telling those who rape to not rape, to behave properly, we tell women to cover up and do X, Y, and Zed in order to not get raped.

Slowly, I believe, it is getting changed as more and more people are trying to draw attention to it, but as of right now, a woman raped can expect to have her sexual history dragged through the mud in court to try and paint her as a slut/whore who is having "buyer's remorse."

Unfortunately, things like this do exist. People like Brian Banks, Jonathon Montgomery, and Gary Dotson had their alleged victims admit later that they lied about being raped. Ronald Cotton spent years in jail when his friend accused him of raping her, when she had no idea who her attacker was, and then accused by someone else that was riding the bandwagon for attention.

Athletes Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, and Mark Sanchez have all been accused of rape and then had their cases dropped. It's unknown if they really were raped and the pressure from the "accidentally" leaked information caused them to drop, if they were "buyer's remorse," or if they were just after attention and/or money.

Danmell Ndonye made up a story about getting gang raped by a group of 5 men at Hofstra University. She later admitted the lies after a video of the encounter revealed it was completely consensual and she was just feeling shameful of it.

There is a huge problem with the Rape culture here. But the problems are on all sides. Yes, it's something that we shouldn't joke about. It's a topic that is not funny in any way what-so-ever.

You know what else isn't funny? The fact that men are convicted in the public eye before any facts, regardless of their side in the case, are revealed. Even after they're acquitted, they still bear the scarlet "R" for the rest of their lives.

I videotape every class/session I teach to cover my ass in case a student with a grudge against me, or trying to cover their own ass for something else, accuses me of rape or any other inappropriate behavior. I shouldn't have to do this, but that's the other part of the "Rape Culture" that exists in this country.

[Greenday]

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I just read that article before coming here. When I saw the picture, I threw up a little in my mouth. It's beyond disturbing.

It's not surprising to see it being covered up by just about everyone in the town. The Feds are going to have to step in and do something about this. So many people in that town that need to be arrested and thrown in jail for aiding and abetting.

I'm also happy to see Anonymous move away from the terrorist theme they had going and to continue with this altruistic line of work they've been doing recently.

[AmbrosiaWriter]

That is NOT the same thing as blaming women for getting raped, and anyone who deliberately blurs the distinction between telling someone ways to minimize their risk of being attacked and saying those who have been attacked somehow deserved it is pretty disgusting in their own right.

It's like saying you shouldn't tell people it's a bad idea to leave valuables in the seat of their car because that's blaming them for getting their windows smashed and their stuff stolen.

No. It's like saying "We should be doing BOTH things rather than just the one that puts all the responsibility and blame on the victim to not get raped rather than putting the responsibility on the rapist to NOT RAPE."

I have no doubt that this is a rare occurrence, but can you say for certain it NEVER happens for any motive whatsoever?

Who said it never happens? I certainly didn't. However, it is always the first thing flung at the victim.

[AmbrosiaWriter]

I didn't say that women having buyer's remorse never happened, so there's no need to prove a statement false that I didn't claim. Many real victims are accused of having buyer's remorse, and that sticks with them - just like the scarlet "R" - despite the court proceedings and verdict.

You know what else isn't funny? The fact that men are convicted in the public eye before any facts, regardless of their side in the case, are revealed. Even after they're acquitted, they still bear the scarlet "R" for the rest of their lives.

Personally, I believe that in any rape case, both the accused and the victim should have their names kept out of the media until the court case is done. Done and decided.

Then, if the accused turns out to be the victim, (s)he hasn't had their name dragged through the mud, and the false accuser can then have their name dragged through the mud.

People who falsely cry rape only make it worse and harder for people who are legitimately raped, (because of them one of my friend's was asked by a police officer "Are you sure you were raped?" several times, as if she was the criminal) and as someone who has been sexually assaulted, and have several friends who have been raped by people who should've loved and protected them instead, this pisses me off beyond all belief.

[Mytical]

Ok, I was accused of rape once (and until 36 I was a virgin, and if foreplay didn't count I would still be one )..so I know that false accusations do happen. What is more, I know that if not for my female cousin talking some sense into the girl (who by the way at the time was accusing just about everybody in the area of the same crime)..I would have been in jail.

However, I know that the way they treat rape victims is atrocious. There is NEVER any excuse for rape. Ever. As somebody said..I don't care if a woman walks down the street nude...they are not 'asking' to be raped. I better stop here, or the things I would say about rapist would be a bit much..even for fratching.

[BlaqueKatt]

[QUOTE=Jaden;130752] I don't know what kind of people you grew up around, but "no means no" was never far from counsel given to me or other young men around me. /QUOTE]

Consent is a freely and non-coerced yes, not merely the absence of a no-that ISN'T taught. Just "no means no", so if she can't say no it's ok? don't believe me?

read this

a friend of hers confided in her that he accidentally raped a woman. He told her that the girl he was at a party with had been flirting heavily with him, and that when she passed out he didn’t realize it would be wrong to penetrate her unconscious body. Alyssa blames society’s messages for leading to a situation where her friend could accidentally rape someone.

The truth of the matter is that rape is a crime of intent. It doesn't happen by accident, and the person committing the rape is completely and wholly responsible for his (or her) actions.

funny you mention that....
The "accidental Rapist"-courtesy of the "good men project"

[Jaden]

He didn't know it was wrong to penetrate her unconscious body?

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that for a second. That is literally common sense. You don't need somebody to tell you not to fuck an unconscious person who didn't tell you it was ok. Everybody who has had even a 5th grade education knows what the word "consent" means, not just in a sexual context. Either he was being willfully ignorant so that he could get his penis wet, he's literally the stupidest person who ever lived, or he never went to school or interacted with anybody else his age, ever.