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One of the biggest horrors trotted out in opposition to same-sex marriage is, after all, bakers being forced to sell cakes.
Why would a bakery even ASK what a cake is for? Someone wishes to order a cake. They specify what flavor, how it should look, when they need it and perhaps even arrange for delivery, but how does who (if anyone) will eat it or under what circumstances even enter into things?
And do they do this for every single item they sell, or only when the item in question is a style of cake commonly used at wedding receptions?"My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl." -
Oh you'll sell gay's cakes, just not wedding cakes? Oh yeah that totally doesn't make you sound bigoted.Comment
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2 ways the bakery could tell: 1) generally, wedding cakes are fairly different from normal cakes ( you only tend to see 3-tier cakes at a wedding, for instance) so the bakery could have figured it out from that
2) the couple could have volunteered the information
as for the bakery refusing to make the cake, I'm of two minds.Sure, they really should have just made the cake, but an outright refusal is better than them making the cake and doing something to it. ( I'm thinking something like writing hate messages on the cake., though I suppose there are other things they could do) That, and private businesses ARE allowed to refuse service for any reason.Comment
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valid, nice to know how far in advance the cake needs to be ready."My first question is what's the wedding date," said owner Aaron Klein.
What's that got to do with the price of fish?"My next question is bride and groom's name."Comment
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They should put a sign on their door that says "Straights Only". Things were so much more simple when stores posted their discrimination in the window.Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship TroopersComment
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A common convention with wedding cakes is to put the couple's initials on the cake. If the couple doesn't already know what they want, it's a detail that is useful during the planning stages.Originally posted by Ginger Tea View Post
Personally, unless you bill your place as a religious-themed shop, refusing business on grounds like this is just stupid and short-sighted.
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Does Oregon have sexual orientation listed as a protected class? The guy's a horrible person who's on the losing side of history either way, but I'm wondering if the couple has a legal right to sue him for it.Comment
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Looks like it is a protected class. But I'm not sure if discrimination laws in regards to orientation will cover denial of service.Originally posted by Lady_Foxfire View Post"The hero is the person who can act mindfully, out of conscience, when others are all conforming, or who can take the moral high road when others are standing by silently, allowing evil deeds to go unchallenged." — Philip Zimbardo
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Generally not. The right to refuse service is pretty solid. Except for monopolies (which are generally gov services and are a bit different.) people have the ability to go elsewhere.Originally posted by KabeRinnaul View Post
It's not really a good move turning down profitable customers, but hey, if that's their business model, so be it. There are other cake makers. Social media will make sure that people who care about it will change their buying habits one way or another, and the business will succeed or fail on that.Comment
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I'm not going to give them credit for not doing something worse. A guy who steals somebody's wallet doesn't get credit for not gutting them in the alley.Originally posted by s_stabeler View Post
However, as disgusting as I find this whole situation, I do have to begrudgingly agree that they do have the right to refuse service for any reason - as far as I know, admittedly Oregon could be different from where I live. I don't think the legal system should get involved. They can go to a different bakery and this story will spread by word of mouth, as it already is, and hopefully the bakery will lose business because of their practices.Comment
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I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to refuse service based on someone being in a protected class; that's kind of the entire point of having anti-discrimination laws, isn't it? It's like refusing to bake a cake for a black couple because of their race.Originally posted by KabeRinnaul View PostComment
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What Lady_Foxfire said.Originally posted by draco664 View Post
If it's a protected class and they were refused service based on that protected class, then the establishment is guilty of criminal discrimination.
However, if they discriminate but don't tell anyone the criteria, just a generic "I don't want to serve you, go away," then they are generally covered.
^-.-^Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - DresdenComment
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Even though I disagree with their decision, as a private company not selling an essential item, they have the right to refuse service for whatever reason. And this puts their bigotry out in the open....Comment
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