Proof that money does not equal intelligence

[fireheart17]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1226617697022

So evidently there are parents in some of the more affluent areas around Australia who are deciding "hey, lets not vaccinate our kids!"

Now I can understand if the kid has a severe reaction to the vaccine (thinking more anaphylactic or similar type reaction, not kid is screaming because of being jabbed with pointy needles) or is immunocompromised, but seriously....

The worst part is, is that most of the areas listed ARE well-off. Chances are that the parents in those suburbs were private-school educated and also send their kidlets to private school. What the hell are private schools not teaching their kids?!

[anakhouri]

Do private schools not require vaccination records? I'm not surprised the well-off are falling for this crap; they have the time to do research (and find fraudulant crap on the Internet) while I think lower-class people who have to work a lot just don't have time to fall for this bullshit and trust what their doctor says.

[BlaqueKatt]

it's more or less sanctimonious and smug paternalism, " I did "research", and know better, because this website told me my kids are at risk for growing wings if I vaccinate them."

It makes them feel "superior", because they think they know something the plebes don't. But they have no clue how research works.

[fireheart17]

Do private schools not require vaccination records?

In my state at the bare minimum, you do not require vaccination records at ANY school, public or private.

That may be changing though

it's more or less sanctimonious and smug paternalism, " I did "research", and know better, because this website told me my kids are at risk for growing wings if I vaccinate them."

Oh lordy . The smug paternalism crap you're correct about, but as for the rest, they also seem to think that risk equals "it will happen" not "it could happen in a very small chance"

It makes them feel "superior", because they think they know something the plebes don't. But they have no clue how research works.

Which does make me wonder just exactly what they ARE being taught. I'd imagine that part of their high school classes would require them to be able to tell a good source from a bad source.

I'd also be imagining that a number of them would have gone onto further study and would've also had further confirmation of what a good and bad source is.

Either way, I'm kind of glad that my council district (City of Onkaparinga) isn't on the list. Most people I know will get their kids jabbed regardless.

[Kheldarson]

Good source? Bad source?

Y'all are silly. Who has time to teach that anymore? ;P

But seriously, a lot of the anti-vac movement has to do with trusting "celebrities" (McCarthy anybody?), because, obviously, if they're famous, they can't be wrong, as well as their own "research". Which is more confirmation of what they think they already know.

There's also a companion movement which enforces the idea that "mom always knows best" for her and her child, no matter what a professional says.

[HYHYBT]

And here I was amazed at how many people believe in putting mustard and mayonnaise on burns. (It's your kid's arm, not a ham sandwich!)

[Panacea]

What the hell are private schools not teaching their kids?!

Science.

Seriously. When a major portion of supposedly well educated people who do not understand the definition of theory as used by scientists, and the differences in how the word is used by lawyers. These same people think hypothesis means "best guess."

When you have people who can't even understand the basic elements of how the scientific method, it's really no wonder that the flim flam man with the clever story can get people to believe what they want to believe and justify the behaviors they already want to take.

it's more or less sanctimonious and smug paternalism, " I did "research", and know better, because this website told me my kids are at risk for growing wings if I vaccinate them."

It makes them feel "superior", because they think they know something the plebes don't. But they have no clue how research works.

Not only that, but they buy into the conspiracy theories that tell them that all science is a tool of the "liberal agenda," and designed to "protect squirrels" at the expense of "jobs", make it hard for business to do business, and drive up prices for everyone.

And here I was amazed at how many people believe in putting mustard and mayonnaise on burns. (It's your kid's arm, not a ham sandwich!)

Or butter. Or toothpaste.

Yes, I've seen them all.

[Ginger Tea]

One of these days I'm going to advocate that tit wanks are homeopathic in treating/preventing breast cancer, see where that leads me.

[Panacea]

One of these days I'm going to advocate that tit wanks are homeopathic in treating/preventing breast cancer, see where that leads me.

Probably into a prostitution charge.

[draco664]

One of these days I'm going to advocate that tit wanks are homeopathic in treating/preventing breast cancer, see where that leads me.

Probably into a prostitution charge.

Not if the women are the ones paying for the privilege.

[fireheart17]

There was a comment in one of the two articles I quoted that made absolute sense. Ideally, it would also be how a parent who's unsure about vaccines SHOULD go.

The scenario involved a parent who was hesitant about giving her child a particular vaccine. In this case, it was due to the ingredients present in said vaccine (one of the preservatives I think-a couple of vaccines down here still use thiomersal but they are usually targeted to specific groups, so not this one). They did some research on that ingredient, but also on the particular vaccine used. They found an alternate vaccine that provided the same benefits, but didn't have that particular ingredient. The doctor was happy to provide the vaccine that the parents researched.

End result=everyone's happy. Kids get vaccinated, parents can rest easy and doctor doesn't get abuse for supposedly being a "tool" of the pharmceutical companies.


Generally down here, the arguments against vaccines fall into the following categories:


Financial motives-generally the theme is that Big Pharma is making money off of xyz at the cost of health benefits. Usually my counterargument to THAT is to either:

a) ask them if they can name which vaccine is provided by which company and how much they make off of that vaccine as opposed to other medicines they provide. (I would bet that they end up making a LOT more from their OTC medications than a vaccine)

b) Ask them if they take any medications provided by those companies, even the "herbal" ones. ask them if they go to the hospital for anything since the docs will no doubt demand that the patient is given drugs by IV.

The "vaccines cause <insert illness here>": Not so much with autism these days but with a number of other autoimmune disorders. Somehow the theory seems to be that "vaccines are provided-body OVERreacts to vaccine and then goes on a manhunt". O.o Similar variations include vaccine overload.

The "My child has never been vaccinated and has never had a cough/cold/flu etc.": I find that INCREDIBLY hard to believe unless said child has been living in a bubble. Colds and flu are passed around VERY easily. (I hate to share a personal experience here, but my boyfriend has asthma and eczema, been fully immunised and rarely gets a cold or flu. He's only taken maybe 2 days off of work in the last four years that we've been together)

The final argument usually just delves into various conspiracy theories.

[anakhouri]

As for the last argument; my child rarely gets sick. He also, up to this point, has not gone to day care or school.

In general, the people I see who do not vaccinate, also have one stay-at-home parents and usually end up homeschooling.

If your kid is not around other children on a regular basis, they're not going to pick up illnesses from them.

Their logic is entirely faulty.

As for the rest- until multiple SCIENTISTS perform multiple research projects pointing to vaccines causing other medical issues, and these are vetted and published in reputable journals, I am not buying it.