And I thought Steubenville was bad

[smileyeagle1021]

I thought I would never see a reaction to a crime that disgusted me more than the reaction people had to the Steubenville rape case... or at least that it would take longer than this, but here we are.
I don't have links to it available, I'm posting at work, when I get home I'll get more details, but about a week ago at a soccer game in Taylorsville Utah a goalie got upset over a ref's call and attacked him. 5 hours ago the ref died. People on facebook are already defending the kid and how he shouldn't be punished because he never intended to hurt the man.
Excuse me? Um, actually excuse me, but that phrasing wasn't strong enough. Excuse fucking me, what the fuck are you fuckers smoking?
A man is dead because of this 17 year old's actions, he has had violent episodes before, he knew damned well what he was doing. Did he intend for his victim to die? I actually do doubt that, but he definitely intended to harm him, and guess what, the risk you take when you aim to injure someone is that you will kill them, and you need to be prepared to accept responsibility for your actions if they lead to death. Oh, but he had his whole life ahead of him... so, your fucking point, the ref had his whole life ahead of him too. But think about the kid's (he's fucking 17, he's not a kid) family? I am, I'm thinking if his parents had raised him better they wouldn't be in this situation. Yeah, just pisses me off when people want to remove responsibility

[Gravekeeper]

Here's the story

Not just attacked, but sucker punched at that.

[Hyena Dandy]

He didn't mean to hurt him?

You don't accidentally punch a guy in the face.

[Greenday]

Hopefully he gets charged as an adult and spends a good amount of time in jail.

[Kheldarson]

He'll probably be charged with manslaughter at the very least. Too many witnesses to not get that at least.

[Panacea]

He's already in juvvie charged with "suspected assault." Plan on the charges being upgraded, as sadly they should be.

The kid should be prosecuted. No question of that.

The truly fucked up part is the man's family begged him to quit ref'ing soccer, but he wouldn't because he loved the game so much.

Something needs to change about this need players and spectators have to express their displeasure over calls with violence.

[BlaqueKatt]

Something needs to change about this need players and spectators people have to express their displeasure over calls with violence.

Fixed that.

people express displeasure over too many things with violence or threats of violence. I've actually seen people wearing shirts that say(in referance to the character Daryl Dixon on the walking dead television show)"If Daryl dies we riot"

Yup writing an actor out of a show is now cause to threaten violence.
"but it's a joke, lighten up"
One should NEVER joke about things like that, especially with so much awfulness in the world, a television show character dying should not even be on the radar of "bad things" to overreact to.

[Greenday]

people express displeasure over too many things with violence or threats of violence. I've actually seen people wearing shirts that say(in referance to the character Daryl Dixon on the walking dead television show)"If Daryl dies we riot"

Yup writing an actor out of a show is now cause to threaten violence.
"but it's a joke, lighten up"
One should NEVER joke about things like that, especially with so much awfulness in the world, a television show character dying should not even be on the radar of "bad things" to overreact to.

I'm not surprised by that. I'm an avid Star Wars fan and when a main character died in one of the more recent series, the author of that specific book (The series was written by a group of authors) received tons of death threats. It wasn't even his idea to do it yet none of the morons threatening to kill him cared.

[Racket_Man]

again what is really interesting if the FACT is that after the fact when the Police were called in the Goalie was no where to found. Yeah run off like the coward that he is. It seems his PARENTS "agreed" to have him turn himself in a day or two later.

I am willing to bet this little coward gets off with a slap on the wrist. Just another case of "who cares what happend to the victum, our widdle prewwiss did nothing wrrrrooooonnnnnggggg"

now a Father, a grandfather, husband is dead because some spur-of-the-moment stupidity is again purpetrated.

[smileyeagle1021]

He didn't mean to hurt him?

You don't accidentally punch a guy in the face.

Thank you!
I honestly believe that he did not intend to kill the man. I don't necassarily agree with the people who are calling for the death penalty (yes, people have called for that), I'm not even sure I can see murder 1, but there is no doubt in my mind that this is at least manslaughter if not murder 2 (I don't know if Utah has laws that classify any death that occurs as the result of felony activity to be murder or not, but if they do, assault and battery is a felony charge). This young man knew (or should have known) exactly what he was doing, and now he needs to accept the consequences. The fact that he's young and his life is ruined should in no way enter the debate. Also, hate to break it to a lot of people, but he's 17, he's not exactly a precious whittle baby anymore.

[Panacea]

again what is really interesting if the FACT is that after the fact when the Police were called in the Goalie was no where to found. Yeah run off like the coward that he is. It seems his PARENTS "agreed" to have him turn himself in a day or two later.

I am willing to bet this little coward gets off with a slap on the wrist. Just another case of "who cares what happend to the victum, our widdle prewwiss did nothing wrrrrooooonnnnnggggg"

Let's be fair the parents. What father wouldn't want to protect his son, even if he knew the son did the wrong thing? Even before the man died, there was a lot of anger about the event. He probably genuinely feared for his kid.

Then he woke up and realized this was too serious and the piper would have to be paid, and made arrangements for the kid to turn himself in. At least he didn't ship the kid off to Mexico.

However the kid won't get off with a slap on the wrist. Not after he killed a man. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't charged as an adult, since he is 17. He'll probably get nailed with manslaughter.

[Grendus]

Probably manslaughter, but I don't necessarily think a murder charge is warranted in this case. I've always felt that manslaughter is the killing and murder is the intent, and he did not intend to kill the man. I have no legal precedent for this, but it just seems wrong to punish him like he had intended to kill the guy.

[Kheldarson]

Would depend on the youth's history. If he has a history of violence and reacting violently to this sort of thing, then a case could be made for murder. Especially if he wasn't counseled or treated in anyway after such incidences.

[s_stabeler]

actually ,murder is the appropiate charge, due to Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm short of death, which basicalyl means that if you beat someone up so badly they die of it, it's murder.

[Panacea]

actually ,murder is the appropiate charge, due to Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm short of death, which basicalyl means that if you beat someone up so badly they die of it, it's murder.

Malice aforethought is required for it to be murder.

The teen in question didn't act out of malice, he acted out of anger. He didn't intend to cause grievous bodily harm, he just impulsively decked the ref. It turned from simple assault and battery to manslaughter only because the man died later.

That might not stop a prosecutor from going for murder. But it'll get pled down; I doubt this case will go to trial.