Male birth control

[Akasa]

It's been used in India for YEARS and is just now coming to America for trials. It's simple, cheap, and lasts 10 years. It's also easily reversible. I'm bringing it to fratching in case things get heated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi4s4xB824g

[Ginger Tea]

Not watched the video, but this kind of birth control should only be issued to couples in a long term relationship, being "on the pill" will not prevent you from getting an STD and passing it around if you do a lot of sleeping around, hell even a vasectomy wont prevent you from giving or catching non sperm based methods of spread.

I just envision a tonne of college age males taking this and thinking it makes their dick bullet proof and immune to all the worlds ills.

[Panacea]

I didn't watch the video, either, so I'm not sure what this form of birth control actually is.

However, I'm curious about what Ginger Tea said about only making it available to men in long term relationships. Does she feel the same way about female contraception such as the pill, IUD's, or diaphrams? Because women who use those methods should still insist their partners use a condom unless they are in a long term committed relationship.

[crashhelmet]

This method is very similar to a vasectomy. Instead of cutting and burning off the vas deferens, they're injecting a chemical polymer into it to kill off the sperm. They market it as a single quick session, but I assume they probab;y need you to come back several times to verify your sperm count is dropping before you're given the all clear.

The reverse is the same process, except they inject a mixture of baking soda and water.

I, personally, don't think there are enough studies done on this. Too many risks of permanent sterilization or even early failure due to the body adapting.

I'll continue using condoms and the various other methods available to me.

[Panacea]

I don't blame you. I'm always wary on the safety of new medications and procedures. I still wear glasses because I'm just not convinced LASIX surgery is safe enough.

[Ginger Tea]

What I meant was, even though women are on the pill the use of a condom is still desired for either not quite working pill or just STD's in general.
Giving it to men of college age might see an uptake in STD's where condoms would have been used otherwise as they may think, well no sperm no need.
and numerous STD's don't rely on sperm deployment, they lower the risk of pregnancy but up the stakes in STD's by sleeping around.

[draco664]

I, personally, don't think there are enough studies done on this. Too many risks of permanent sterilization or even early failure due to the body adapting.

I'll continue using condoms and the various other methods available to me.

I understood that there's been years and years of studies done on this technique. In India, of course, so it's probably not considered worthy by the bureaucrats in the FDA.

[Kheldarson]

There's also the fact that they claim it lasts 10 years and you'll get full fertility back. That's the rub. It's going to take a lot of time and studies to prove that claim.

[DGoddess]

I don't blame you. I'm always wary on the safety of new medications and procedures. I still wear glasses because I'm just not convinced LASIX surgery is safe enough.

I'm the same way, even when it comes to the contact lenses. Just give me glasses and I'm good to go.

But I'm wary of this new method as well. IMO it's not been around long enough and therefore, not enough is known about long term effects.

[Panacea]

What I meant was, even though women are on the pill the use of a condom is still desired for either not quite working pill or just STD's in general.
Giving it to men of college age might see an uptake in STD's where condoms would have been used otherwise as they may think, well no sperm no need.
and numerous STD's don't rely on sperm deployment, they lower the risk of pregnancy but up the stakes in STD's by sleeping around.

Honestly, I was pretty sure that's what you really meant. But it was easy to infer the opposite based on what you originally wrote, which is why I asked the question

[bara]

Remember, if she doesn't make sure you use a condom, she didn't make sure any of the other guys did either.

If that statement alone doesn't wake my fellow outer plumbing friends wake the hell up then nothing will. All I can say to those idiots is, enjoy whatever kids/STDs you get cause you deserve them.

And ladies, if you haven't figured this out yet, there are very few things that can ruin the mood to guys. Its just how we are wired. (for the most part)

(As a side note, I also lament how those that are best at making babies are those that are also the least qualified to raise them)

[Greenday]

I don't blame you. I'm always wary on the safety of new medications and procedures. I still wear glasses because I'm just not convinced LASIX surgery is safe enough.

LASEK surgery was the best decision of my life. I now have 20/15 vision. No side effects. Just slept it off that day and I was good to go from then on.

I don't see why we should restrict it to just men in relationships. It's not for women, so it'd be silly just to ban it from single men.

[Ginger Tea]

I think the phrase is conformation bias, but I could be wrong.
Those in their late teens early 20's are more likely to engage with multiple partners and condom use is strongly advised.
At that age, least the closer to 16 age group (and those a smidge under) have always tried to get out of the use of condoms due to the lack of sensation.

Take away the need for birth control they may see it as no need for the rest of the condom.

If you are using a condom why go on the pill (granted it's not 100% but the pill is not yet FDA approved either) but lack of a condom opens you or your partner up to all sorts of STD's.

I believe it was you who was trying to get a vasectomy sometime last year and were fighting the doctors who thought you might change your mind at some point.
If you were sterile in your teens, would you or your friends in the same boat forgo condoms as "well nothings coming out"?

If teenagers had the same childhood sweetheart from early teens and well into college years I wouldn't see a need for condoms as well as the pill, but there is an uptake in promiscuity once you get to beer drinking age.
And I can't honestly say that I believe a large enough percentage of sterilized young men would bother with a condom if his partner didn't force the issue.

[Greenday]

I believe it was you who was trying to get a vasectomy sometime last year and were fighting the doctors who thought you might change your mind at some point.
If you were sterile in your teens, would you or your friends in the same boat forgo condoms as "well nothings coming out"?

If teenagers had the same childhood sweetheart from early teens and well into college years I wouldn't see a need for condoms as well as the pill, but there is an uptake in promiscuity once you get to beer drinking age.
And I can't honestly say that I believe a large enough percentage of sterilized young men would bother with a condom if his partner didn't force the issue.

Well, I never was interested in banging as many people as possible. It was always one person at a time. Everyone I've had sex with was clean. I've been tested to reassure other people. They've been tested. STDs have never been a worry.

I'm sure there are plenty of guys who would take it and think, "Hell yea, no more condoms cause I can't have kids!" completely forgetting about STDs. But who are we to take that choice away just because some people make bad decisions? It's the same logic behind banning smoking, banning larger soda sales, etc. It's legislating personal responsibility which is ridiculous.

[Panacea]

Ultimately, restricting birth control of any kind to only those in long term committed relationships is counter productive.

Younger people, single people, are going to make the decisions they are going to make. It is better to give them good education on how to take care of their bodies, give them access to the tools to help them do so, and then let them make their own choices.

While I consider promiscuity in of itself to be a bad choice, it is not for me to make that decision for other people. Teaching people how to be safe is the best I can do; that they choose to be safe is the best I can hope for.