Domestic violence victim fired from teaching job

[D_Yeti_Esquire]

Well, isn't that an admission everyone outside of high security government installations would make?

That's the thing about society, we sort of take for granted that we will live civilly and not walk around blowing away people randomly which is why every time one of these tragic events occur it's shocking. Then people want to overreact and create fortresses metaphorically everywhere. Certainly the entire social contract has failed because this one person went rampaging all over one of its weak spots. And that is partially what this is, a teacher fired for risk.

Heck, I think incidents of psychosis are something like 2% of the population so by that logic bad things ought to happen far more often. What I'd be interested in is how many more incidents are going to occur before the US at least reestablishes its mental health infrastructure.

[PepperElf]

Here's a question if a teacher on CS posted about an abusive husband coming to their work and the school fired her for it how would we react?

We would want to string up the people who fired her and beat them.

You mean ... how would this thread fare at a different site with a completely different set of rules on what we can and cannot post?

[Andara Bledin]

We would want to string up the people who fired her and beat them.

As with other situations involving abuse, the call would be to string up the abuser, along with the usual offers of remote tracts of land, alibis, and the like.

There would likely be calls to speak to the labor board and/or a labor lawyer, and a lot of advice on how to find a job that won't have to weight the difference between a single woman who is her own guardian versus dozens of people for whom they are responsible.

[fireheart17]

It's a pretty crappy situation all-around. But in a way, by firing her to prevent some psycho from entering the school, they are admitting that they are unable to keep the kids safe from intruders.

Pretty much this.

[Andara Bledin]

Pretty much this.

Not even military bases are safe from psychos. It's not like this is some revelation.

[Greenday]

Not even military bases are safe from psychos. It's not like this is some revelation.

Go ahead and try to just walk onto a military base these days without a government ID. Let me know how that goes.

It's not impossible to rampage anywhere, but the school could make it a lot tougher. For the instance, my middle and high schools were all locked on the outside. You had to be buzzed in from the front desk, where they could see you on the cameras. This would cut down on the almost all forms of rampages.

[Rageaholic]

It's a pretty crappy situation all-around. But in a way, by firing her to prevent some psycho from entering the school, they are admitting that they are unable to keep the kids safe from intruders.

I couldn't pinpoint what felt wrong about the schools decision, but I think that's it.

[Andara Bledin]

Go ahead and try to just walk onto a military base these days without a government ID. Let me know how that goes.

My co-workers have nothing more than drivers licenses and they're on military bases about, oh, once a month or so? Along with dozens of other civilians. It's not as difficult as you seem to think.

For the instance, my middle and high schools were all locked on the outside. You had to be buzzed in from the front desk, where they could see you on the cameras. This would cut down on the almost all forms of rampages.

I attended a single school where that was even physically possible. Not every school is inside a building, you know.

[Greenday]

My co-workers have nothing more than drivers licenses and they're on military bases about, oh, once a month or so? Along with dozens of other civilians. It's not as difficult as you seem to think.


I attended a single school where that was even physically possible. Not every school is inside a building, you know.

So they just drive onto the bases? No ID checks getting onto the base? And what do they do that requires them to be on the base? When I used to do logistics, it was nearly all civilians on base and security was extremely strict.

[Nekojin]

The ID checks that are given at most domestic bases are perfunctory - criminal background, driver's license check, that sort of thing. It absolutely won't stop someone who's never committed a crime from driving a bomb in, or a trunk full of guns.

I personally have been on Edwards Air Force Base a half dozen times - a few times for government auctions, and once to do a service of process in a divorce.

[Andara Bledin]

So they just drive onto the bases? No ID checks getting onto the base? And what do they do that requires them to be on the base?

How does "nothing more than drivers licenses" translate to "no ID checks"?

And, as Nekojin mentions, the gov't sells their surplus, and the place I work for buys what they can, as do thousands of other people. While most of the stuff gets hauled off-base for sales these days, a lot of it still has to be picked up from the bases themselves. And all you need to get in is a valid DL and the award notice.

[D_Yeti_Esquire]

Well that, and there was that whole Fort Hood mass murder, so no you're not even safe when you have checkpoints and background checks.

You just can't stop psychopathic behavior unless you know it's coming. The prerequisite for killing is not insanity and stupidity, it's just the will to do it. And someone that's intent on it can probably figure it out how to penetrate a defense if you don't know they're coming.

[Mytical]

The situation sucks, but there is a little light at the end of the tunnel. Right now there is a K-12 online option. Where teachers can teach from home. Wouldn't be putting any children at risk, as they can teach children states away just as easily as one that was next door, and the education degree would nolonger be 'useless'. Sorry for the off topic (of course I don't know if any other country besides America has started doing this).

[fireheart17]

The situation sucks, but there is a little light at the end of the tunnel. Right now there is a K-12 online option. Where teachers can teach from home. Wouldn't be putting any children at risk, as they can teach children states away just as easily as one that was next door, and the education degree would nolonger be 'useless'. Sorry for the off topic (of course I don't know if any other country besides America has started doing this).

And you just reminded me of school of the air. We run a program that allows for this as well as for students that do have online access. The latter group are generally there for the following reasons:

-live too far away from the nearest school and can't get to said school via bus, car or walking.
-ongoing illness or travel (ie dad travels around Australia)
-family commitments that would otherwise prevent you from going to school (teenage mums or carers)
-work (this also includes elite sportsmen/women)
-at risk students.
-homeschooled students (to a point. Year 11 and 12 can complete their high school certificate through them, year 10 ditto, before that you can only do a second language through them)
-whatever you want to study at your main school isn't available. A number of country students do this, particularly for The high school certificate.

[cindybubbles]

Send her to work at a police, military or security guard training facility. Then her ex will have to think twice before harassing anyone!