Church Thinks Vaccine Causes Austim. Causes Measles Outbreak Instead.

[fireheart17]

They think he was coerced or forced into saying it. You know. Big Pharma putting the pressure on him. The whole retraction was a ploy that came out of nowhere just as a new vaccine was coming out. After all, if the paper was fake, why would it take so long to retract it?

Yes, I died a little inside typing that. Not as much as I have from hearing such a dangerous misunderstanding of the truth over and over.

I wonder what they think of the countries that don't use said vaccine and have seen the autism rate go unchanged and/or increased...

[MrsEclipse]

I wonder what they think of the countries that don't use said vaccine and have seen the autism rate go unchanged and/or increased...

Nothing rational, I can assure you. They're all like, "Well I saw my child develop autism right there in the doctors office after getting his vaccine so there MUST be a link!" Without even acknowledging that data.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I don't really get the idea that not vaccinating is a thing. I mean, wouldn't a parent prefer their child to be autistic rather than dead of measles or with permanent health problems? So many of these anti vaccine people seem not to have any idea just how devastating a disease measles is.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Measles...lications.aspx

Less common complications

Less common complications of measles are:

meningitis
pneumonia (lung infection), signs of which are fast, difficult breathing, chest pain and deteriorating condition
hepatitis (liver infection)
encephalitis (inflammation of the brain), which can be fatal, so watch for drowsiness, headache and vomiting
low platelet count, known medically as thrombocytopenia, which affects the blood's ability to clot
bronchitis and croup (infection of the airways), characterised by a hacking or barking cough
squint, if the virus affects the nerves and muscles of the eye

Rare complications

In rare cases, measles can lead to the following conditions:

serious eye disorders, such as an infection of the optic nerve (the nerve that transmits information from the eye to the brain), known as optic neuritis, which can lead to blindness
heart and nervous system problems
a serious brain complication known as subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE), which can sometimes occur several years after measles – however, although the condition is fatal, it is very rare, occurring in only 1 in every 100,000 cases of measles

[Panacea]

I don't really get the idea that not vaccinating is a thing. I mean, wouldn't a parent prefer their child to be autistic rather than dead of measles or with permanent health problems? So many of these anti vaccine people seem not to have any idea just how devastating a disease measles is.

They have no idea about how bad measles can get, because most people have never seen it. We gained control over these diseases 60-70 years ago, or more.

These diseases used to kill thousands. Now they kill a few people a year. They are still endemic in developing countries; parents there line up for miles when a vaccination clinic is announced.

[MrsEclipse]

Most antivaxxers I've met are under the impression that measels, mumps, rubella, and all those other nasty diseases are no worse than the flu or chicken pox. They also are under the impression that no one gets these diseases anymore, without really understanding why that might be.

Their lack of understanding is as frightening as it is impressive.

[Ginger Tea]

Not safe for lunch, I saw this a few days ago, although it's a woman getting a second dose of chicken pox, which is meant to be unheard of, it also works in the same way as "I was vaccinated yet still got it." the odds are probably quite small.

Now I have never image searched chicken pox before, nor do I intend to again (not for the eww gross effect, just never saw the need) nor have I done the same with any of the ones prevented by MMR.

But as a parent (which I am not) I would want my child to grow up safe from all this, if I thought there was a risk with a cocktail of vaccines like MMR I would just get them individually over an unspecified time frame, I would not be going "MMR bad so M+M+R bad too".

[lordlundar]

Most antivaxxers I've met are under the impression that measels, mumps, rubella, and all those other nasty diseases are no worse than the flu or chicken pox. They also are under the impression that no one gets these diseases anymore, without really understanding why that might be.

Their lack of understanding is as frightening as it is impressive.

An interesting point considering that they ARE no worse than the flu or chicken pox. It's just that those two are, for some odd reason, easier for the body to retain immunities to. Remember the SARS outbreak before that was contained? Yeah, now consider that EVERY strain of the influenza virus is just as lethal. And chicken pox is no slouch either. On a compromised immune system or one not able to adapt to the viral strain, well you might as well go try to charge a police officer with a gun as you'll have about the same chance of survival.

So yeah, those diseases really ARE no more dangerous than the flu or chicken pox, but it's because those are just as lethal but our body is better able to cope with them on average, thanks in no small part to immunization efforts.

[s_stabeler]

I actually got chicken pox twice...

[Panacea]

Not safe for lunch, I saw this a few days ago, although it's a woman getting a second dose of chicken pox, which is meant to be unheard of, it also works in the same way as "I was vaccinated yet still got it." the odds are probably quite small

It's rare for someone to get chicken pox twice, but it happens. Her childhood case must have been very mild. It can be very dangerous in an adult because the infection is more severe and can lead to sepsis.

An interesting point considering that they ARE no worse than the flu or chicken pox. It's just that those two are, for some odd reason, easier for the body to retain immunities to. Remember the SARS outbreak before that was contained? Yeah, now consider that EVERY strain of the influenza virus is just as lethal. And chicken pox is no slouch either. On a compromised immune system or one not able to adapt to the viral strain, well you might as well go try to charge a police officer with a gun as you'll have about the same chance of survival.

So yeah, those diseases really ARE no more dangerous than the flu or chicken pox, but it's because those are just as lethal but our body is better able to cope with them on average, thanks in no small part to immunization efforts.

Just to clarify your point:

Measles is extremely contagious. Death is rare only in developed countries, because of mass vaccination efforts that create herd immunity. In the undeveloped world, mortality rates are about 10% of all cases.

Mumps is not usually fatal, but the symptoms are still very serious and can lead to hospitalization.

Rubella (German Measles), while usually self limiting in adults and children, can cause heart defects in a developing fetus, and spontaneous abortion in about 20% of all cases. The vaccine is a live virus, so we can't vaccinate a non-immune mother until after the birth.

Influenza kills about 75,000 people a year in the US. Every so often we have an especially deadly pandemic that kills millions world wide. The last was the Spanish Flu of 1918. We were lucky with the Influenza A/H1N1 epidemic in 2009 because a new vaccine was able to be generated so quickly.

We were lucky with SARS because the CDC and WHO were on the ball and able to contain infected persons: it has a 10% mortality rate, and the survivors suffer major chronic complications. There is still no vaccine for SARS, and if it weren't for our current available anti viral treatments, and ability to mechanically ventilate, the death toll would have been far, far higher.

[fireheart17]

We were lucky with the Influenza A/H1N1 epidemic in 2009 because a new vaccine was able to be generated so quickly.

We had people down here bitching about the supposed "safety" of the vaccine because it was generated so quickly. Somehow people didn't want to end up feeling like crap for the rest of the day after said vaccine...

Until then, I almost got sent home at one point because I had hayfever symptoms that were mistaken for the swine flu.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Flu is often played down, but about twelve years ago, I caught flu and was very ill for a month. Far too many people mistake a bad cold for flu when the real thing is a far worse illness than just feeling shitty for a couple of days.

[BookstoreEscapee]

A lot of anti-vaxers also think that herd immunity will protect their kids, not realizing that for it to work, everyone that can be needs to be part of the herd.

Flu is often played down, but about twelve years ago, I caught flu and was very ill for a month. Far too many people mistake a bad cold for flu when the real thing is a far worse illness than just feeling shitty for a couple of days.

I got the flu about 3 years ago and by the third day I had a fever of almost 104, and by the next week I had "borderline pneumonia" which, if I had waited another day, probably would have landed me in the hospital. I was out of work for almost 2 weeks, but it was almost 6 weeks before my voice was back to normal (I lost it completely for several days because I was coughing so much) and I could climb the stairs at work without being completely out of breath.

[Parvenu]

Flu is often played down, but about twelve years ago, I caught flu and was very ill for a month. Far too many people mistake a bad cold for flu when the real thing is a far worse illness than just feeling shitty for a couple of days.

Given H1N1 killed my husband, I'm all too aware it can and does kill.

He had no pre-existing conditions, was healthy though thin (dear heavens, if I'd eaten what he ate, I'd be a ball). Had only been seriously ill twice before neither of which had put him in hospital. He was allergic to penicillin but nothing else.

So I'm all for vaccination, I don't want anyone to go through what I did.

[s_stabeler]

Flu is often played down, but about twelve years ago, I caught flu and was very ill for a month. Far too many people mistake a bad cold for flu when the real thing is a far worse illness than just feeling shitty for a couple of days.

true- I had mild flu ( or I have always assumed it was flu) and well...lets just say that it had me basically unable to do much for a couple of weeks, with me being unable to get out of bed for three days. ( well, not exactly- I wasn't paralyzed, but I was extremely lethargic. I couldn't get the energy up to get out of bed.)

In short, Flu absolutely sucks.

[fireheart17]

A lot of anti-vaxers also think that herd immunity will protect their kids, not realizing that for it to work, everyone that can be needs to be part of the herd.

Pretty much this. People tend to bitch about the me, me, me attitude that supposedly Gen Y is famous for, but forget that ALL generations seem to be suffering from it these days.

As for the herd immunity rate, I do believe that it needs to be somewhere around 92-95% (varies on the vaccine). The 5-7% are those that are too young or too ill to be vaccinated. That does not include "self-righteous bitches who were never taught how to critically examine literature in a classroom."

*sigh* too bad I can't do something about vaccination for my science class >.>