Way to GO HS Football Coach

[Hyena Dandy]

It's simple Greenday.

He's Gravekeeper.

[KitterCat]

Hey I'm working on a small screen that likes to auto correct

[smileyeagle1021]

7 pages and no one has mentioned it, so I will.
What the coach did was great, because it taught them a very important lesson about real life.
When Enron collapsed a lot of people (in fact the vast majority) were found not to be involved with the fraud... didn't stop them all from being out of a job because the company didn't exist any more. If I know one of my coworkers is acting inappropriately and don't report it, or even don't pay enough attention to know if it is happening, my innocence won't protect me from the reality of the consequences of not stopping that coworker affecting the whole company.
These kids got off easy compared to the real world... all they had to do to get back on the team is some community service, in the real world they could be facing years of unemployment, losing their homes, and the public shaming that comes from being dependent upon government assistance.
The coach wasn't trying to teach the lesson that life isn't fair, he was trying to teach the lesson than on a team or in an organization, you have to look out for the well being of the group as a whole and not just yourself, because if you don't, it will come back on you too.

[Ginger Tea]

This can also back fire, true 99% of Enron was clear of blame etc, but if the Coach was a manager at a store that had a cashier with sticky fingers and sacked each one as the guilty party would not come forwards, well (at will or whatever the term is, states not with standing) that is far from fair.

The above post about the boob grabber, that was someone working alone with their team mates none the wiser to what he really meant when he said he had fondled more breasts than the rest put together, hell that could just be marked up as BS in general.

But the same shop manager analogy works if it is a performance review, sales are down, customer service needs to improve etc and all even the best workers get a refresher.

It's making sure that future instances are something that the team is known to be aware of, team mates grades attendance or shitty attitude towards teachers is not something I would police even if said knob was the star player.

As I've stated before, I don't care about your grades, the guy next to me or someone on my team 2 years either side of me education wise, if some one is failing maths then the maths teacher and coach should liaise and the coach should say 'shape up or ship out', what can anyone else say "stop sucking at maths?".
Ditto for attendance and teacher attitude, you are bad mouthing History teacher B whilst I am taking Maths with Teacher H, why should I care, yet some of the posts seem to think if I was on a team sport that I should.

[Kheldarson]

Or...you could offer to help tutor so they can stay on the team...

[Titi]

but if the Coach was a manager at a store that had a cashier with sticky fingers and sacked each one as the guilty party would not come forwards, well (at will or whatever the term is, states not with standing) that is far from fair.

But the coach didn't sacked everyone, he suspended everyone from the team. I was once suspended from my job by corporate because of rampant stealing. It was not stealing from the register (those were monitored) but from the sales floor. I didn't say it was not fair, I went through what I had to and proved that I was not a part of that and went on to work for the company for 8 years.

[Hyena Dandy]

Totally different situation. You were suspended because corporate wasn't sure if you or someone else was doing it, and suspended you because they weren't sure. They didn't suspend you and the rest of the shift because "Even if you weren't doing it, you spend so much time with the one who did that you must have known."

While I'm still not entirely sure how I feel on the punishment, those of us who haven't served in the military or something similar in our lifetimes have not likely experienced a comparable situation

[Titi]

Only one team member apologized? and only because they were told to?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lilyhiottmil...ance-of-the-la

[Hyena Dandy]

Titi, was that supposed to go in a different thread? It's completely off topic. The only similarity was that they're both football teams.

[Titi]

Nope. I wanted that on this post because of the different reactions by a coach to their team. The one we are arguing about chose to make a statement to everyone, the college coach forced one player to say sorry, and that was the end of it. No discipline for the ones who started the onslaught of gay slurs and encouraged others in the audience to do it as well, that coach just wants to win. Which coach would you rather have at your school?

[Hyena Dandy]

But how is that related to the discussion? The discussion, as I understood it, was "Is this punishment appropriate?" I don't see how "Well here's someone else handling a different situation badly!" is actually proving anything.

I'm glad that there was punishment for the people who did something wrong. The discussion was if punishing the people NOT involved makes sense. I don't know if you're trying to strawman the argument into "Well, you're clearly arguing for no consequences" The way a lot of other people in the thread seem to be, or if you're trying to say "Well, this is worse! So therefore that was right!"

It's entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

[Racket_Man]

I am going to add one thing more to this discussion. It hit me in sort of a "epiphany". It is a story that most , if not all of you should be familiar with.

That story is the story of Noah from the Book of Genesis in the Old Testament of the Bible.

The summary: God sees that the world and humans have become "evil and wicked" (Please define evil and wicked. the story really gives little in the way of definition except turning away from God way before the 10 commandments were put down). Now for some reason Noah was "favored" by God (possibly because he kept the ways of God). God decides in its infinite wisdom to do "creation" all over again by wiping out all human and animal life and starting from scratch with Noah and the creatures on the Arc.

First question: Were ALL humans and creatures on Earth, beside Noah and family "evil and wicked"????

my answer: I find it really really hard to believe EVERY single human and creature besides Nooah and family were this way. BUT God seemed to determine that ALL besides Noah and family had to perish. GOd decided that wholesale slaughter (broad overarcing punishment) was the punishment for what could have been only a certain portion of the population.

In the 3 major western/mid-east religions seem to totally accept this "punishment for all" for the "bad deeds of a few.

[Ginger Tea]

And there is the innocent animals lumped in too, sure he had the 2 of each (which has been discussed as a mistranslation from time to time), but I don't recall pandas being that widespread in the middle east.

[Gravekeeper]

How did we get to Noah's Ark and what the Hell does drowning the world have to do with possibly losing the privilege to play football?

[Titi]

But how is that related to the discussion? The discussion, as I understood it, was "Is this punishment appropriate?" I don't see how "Well here's someone else handling a different situation badly!" is actually proving anything.

I'm glad that there was punishment for the people who did something wrong. The discussion was if punishing the people NOT involved makes sense. I don't know if you're trying to strawman the argument into "Well, you're clearly arguing for no consequences" The way a lot of other people in the thread seem to be, or if you're trying to say "Well, this is worse! So therefore that was right!"

It's entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

I wasn't trying to prove anything except for the fact that some coaches decided to NOT punish anyone on the team for any problems because they cannot determine who was in on it.

Well since you are all in on NOT punishing the INNOCENT, what is your take on every NCAA record by Penn State students erased due to their assistant coach molesting young boys while the players were not at the school? And how the NCAA has lifted some of those and got called out by a Congressman for daring to lift the things they put on the players?