A 12 and 14 YO arrested

[Racket_Man]

in Florida for Aggravated Stalking in the suicide death of a 14 YO girl.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...icide/2986079/

They apparently physically bullied her in school. The victims parents then moved her to a new school and the perps turned to social media.

Alledgely it got so bad that the victim jumped off of a concrete making plant tower.

One of the perps alledgely posted this on her Facebook account (though she "claims" her account was hacked)_

"Yes ik [I know] I bullied REBECCA and she killed her self but IDGAF [I don't give a (expletive)]"

Perps parents "claim" that their daughter is a sweet person and would NEVER do anything like this.

[gremcint]

and let me guess the teachers didn't do a damn thing.

[smileyeagle1021]

and let me guess the teachers didn't do a damn thing.

Of course not, that would require independent thought... and we all know how school district's feel about teachers actually thinking

[siead_lietrathua]

i dont think that the bullying continuing outside of school hours (fb) is a teacher's responsibility. the girl was at a different school at the time of her suicide. if the kids were following her to the school and bullying her, sure that's the teacher's issue to deal with. but bullying in the home is the responsibility of the parents to deal with.
the bullies are the ones at fault, don't blame teachers. if you want to blame an adult for not doing anything, blame the bullies parents for raising a shithead.

[HYHYBT]

As an aside: leaving your phone sitting around unlocked does not qualify as "getting hacked." Not that I believe for a second that the claim is true even on that level in this case.

[HYHYBT]

i dont think that the bullying continuing outside of school hours (fb) is a teacher's responsibility. the girl was at a different school at the time of her suicide. if the kids were following her to the school and bullying her, sure that's the teacher's issue to deal with. but bullying in the home is the responsibility of the parents to deal with.
the bullies are the ones at fault, don't blame teachers. if you want to blame an adult for not doing anything, blame the bullies parents for raising a shithead.

Good point. If it's happening at school, it's reasonable to expect teachers, etc. to do something about it... at least if it ever happens when they are present or if they are told about it. But what can schools reasonably do about something that happens between their students and those of a different school, and not even at their facilities or functions?

[s_stabeler]

i dont think that the bullying continuing outside of school hours (fb) is a teacher's responsibility. the girl was at a different school at the time of her suicide. if the kids were following her to the school and bullying her, sure that's the teacher's issue to deal with. but bullying in the home is the responsibility of the parents to deal with.
the bullies are the ones at fault, don't blame teachers. if you want to blame an adult for not doing anything, blame the bullies parents for raising a shithead.

it depends. If it's happening at home, then it's the parents' issue to deal with. if it's happening at the bus stop while you're waiting for the bus home, then it is for the teachers to do something.

[Andara Bledin]

it depends. If it's happening at home, then it's the parents' issue to deal with. if it's happening at the bus stop while you're waiting for the bus home, then it is for the teachers to do something.

This. A friend of a co-worker sued her school district for failing to ensure that her son could make it to school and back without being beaten. She won and the district is required to provide a private car to and from school for him until he graduates.

[siead_lietrathua]

the bus thing is valid, and i do agree that falls under the school's issue when you are waiting at the school. but the bus stop by your house (waiting to be picked up/ after being dropped off) is considered the parent's realm of responsibility, not the schools.
however, it is still irrelevant to this case. this girl was at a completely different school, and would not have been sharing the bus with her bullies, at the time she took her life. it also says in the article that most of the bullying while she did share a school with them was online, through message boards and facebook.
the activities teens get up to on their own time at home is NOT a teacher's responsibility. holding teachers responsible for kids bullying from their home computers is like blaming teachers for kids for looking up porn at home. it's just not true, and the blame falls to their parent's lack of monitoring.

[s_stabeler]

I meant the bus stop at the school's end. The point is that parents can always wait at the bus stop on their end for their kids, but they can't easily protect their kids at the school end.

and it looks like the bullies turned to social media after the kid left school. The bullies certainly did bully her at school and should have been expelled for that. ( bullying bad enough to drive a kid out of school should be an automatic expulsion, IMHO)

but yeah, the parents of the perps should have monitored their little darlings better. Of course, their reaction is that it is '100% not true'- when their little darling has bragged about not caring that it ahppened. For f***s sake!

[DGoddess]

and let me guess the teachers didn't do a damn thing.

Of course not, that would require independent thought... and we all know how school district's feel about teachers actually thinking

If somebody had done something to stop it, that little girl would still be alive.

Those parents of the two girls obviously didn't keep close enough tabs on their little darlings hellions.

This article on cnn.com really made me steam up, especially this:

But aside from that one incriminating message after Rebecca's death, the taunts reached her through other chat services, the sheriff said -- Kik and Ask.fm.

Her parents shook their heads and gave blank stares when asked about these sites.

Never heard of them.

"The only one that she had was Facebook, to our knowledge," Jose said.

Again, if the parents had kept closer tabs on what sites their children were visiting, they would have found this sooner.

In my mind, the girls' parents are just as guilty as the kids in this. If anything, their failure to parent and make sure their children were behaving would have went a long way toward saving the life of the victim.

[RedRoseSpiral]

On the topic of the bus stops, in my school district at least, both ends of the bus stop were the school's jurisdiction. Even when living on a private road, if I had done something like flick off the bus, hit my brother (all the other kids on my road had a stop on the opposite end), I'd get my ass hauled into the principals office and written up at the least.

[DGoddess]

On the topic of the bus stops, in my school district at least, both ends of the bus stop were the school's jurisdiction. Even when living on a private road, if I had done something like flick off the bus, hit my brother (all the other kids on my road had a stop on the opposite end), I'd get my ass hauled into the principals office and written up at the least.

Back when I was in school (late 70's and 80's) schools didn't pay much attention to bullying.

I was being bullied in the 5th grade by a group of kids who rode the same bus (around 1980-81,) This involved name calling (some of which were racial slurs,) shoving, taking my books, and insults (fatty, four eyes, etc.)

The principal didn't do anything when Mom tried to discuss the matter with him (kids were black, I'm white and the principal was also black) and had the gall to tell my Mom - in front of me - that he didn't believe me b/c I was white!

Mom tried for 2 days to have me transferred out of the school, but the City School Board refused to transfer me to the school she requested. They did, however, offer to send me back to the school I attended the previous year (which we had issues there w/one of the teachers that was also reported to the school administration IIRC) but Mom would have to furnish my transport back and forth.

Mom, being a single parent working 2 jobs, wasn't able to adjust her work schedule to be able to do that. So I ended up staying in that hellhole school.

One day, one of the kids was picking on me incessantly, calling me names. When I finally had enough and threatened to kick his ass if he contineud, he ran home and got his older sister to come down there and threaten me!

That afternoon, when I got off the bus, the other kids from the previous 2 stops didn't get off at their assigned places - but instead got off at my stop and next thing I knew, they were in a circle around me and I could not get out!

The kid from that morning, with his next oldest sister (who up to that point I had been on friendly terms with) both decided they were going to try to jump me.

I had band practice that morning, so I was armed with a clarinet case. . . . I took it and swung at both of them, yelling at them to LEAVE ME ALONE!

I clocked the girl up the side of her head so hard, she fell down. Had to be carried home.f Her brother I got as well (in the shoulder I think) and he backed off as well.

Turned out the bus didn't go anywhere . . . the driver sat there and didn't come off the bus. Can't recall quite how I made my way back to the bus but somehow I did and the driver took me straight to my road and dropped me off at my front door.

Told Grandma what happened and she called Mom at work to let her know. Some time later that day, the girl's parents called - they had to take her to the ER and she was diagnosed with a concussion! And they thought my Mom should pay the bill . . .

Mom said basically "HELL NO!" and I don't think she heard any more about it.

But after that, everybody pretty much left me alone after that. And the school still didn't do a damned thing about those kids. But at lest (to my recollection at least) they didn't open their mouths anymore!

I think what these bullies need is a good taste of their own medicine. If more victims would gather the courage and knock the Hell out of some of these bullies, we wouldn't have such severe problems with it now.

[Duelist925]

*snip*
I think what these bullies need is a good taste of their own medicine. If more victims would gather the courage and knock the Hell out of some of these bullies, we wouldn't have such severe problems with it now.

Sure.

And then they'd wind up getting suspended/detention/expelled for starting a fight, or causing trouble, or just for zero tolerance BS about punishing everyone in a fight.


That worked for you. Now a days? The kids who lash out, trying to defend themselves, get punished more often than the bullies.

I still think more victims should fight back

But it's not that cut and dried.

[hinakiba777]

I think what these bullies need is a good taste of their own medicine. If more victims would gather the courage and knock the Hell out of some of these bullies, we wouldn't have such severe problems with it now.

When my brother was in junior high, a couple of guys were giving him trouble. When he'd been young we'd both been bullied a bit. However, he was a right wing for the local hockey team. Due to sports and genetics he was really bulking up at that time. He's was an ox of a lad, even stronger now. Sadly, in middle school he was still transitioning from victim to "don't mess with brotherkiba." Dad, obviously, complained to the school about the bullying. The administration told him that there was nothing they could do as most of the bullying took place after school, though usually on school grounds. So dad plain and simply said that he would put my brother in boxing or judo, so he could defend himself. The principal was not happy about this, and even pointed out that is BK threatened other students he would be in trouble. Dad kind of tossed the "not our problem thing" back in the man's face. The bullying stopped soon after. Luckily, by the time I was in middle school and he was in High school, brotherkiba had established himself as fairly popular and not one to be messed with, despite being a pacifist. So I actually got to avoid a lot of harassment because people either loved or feared my brother.


That was back around 1996 or 1998, but even back then it was already at a point where the school wouldn't do anything to stop the bullying, but they would crack down on a retaliator. So I feel like if the girl being victimized had fought back she would have been the one in trouble. Especially considering how "perfect" the bullies parent's think their children are.