Muslim said something about a jet. He must be terriost.

[Evandril]

The first part, yes. Second part, no.

This is the same thing as yelling "Fire" in a movie theater. Don't walk onto a plane and do what the people in the story did.

The airline and associated people did right. The fact the people are Muslim was a coincidence.

No, it's the same thing as asking if the theater has a fire exit, or where the closest seat is to the exit in case of a fire.

By that reasoning, because I *work* on aircraft, and have reassured people about were to sit, I shouldn't be allowed to fly again...Could someone please inform my bosses?

Taking them off to check things out, yeah, 'tis understandable...Refusing them admittance after being *cleared* by the FBI? Notsomuch. The FBI is *NOT* about to clear someone if there is the least doubt in their minds they are safe..I'm certain their luggage got a nice thourough going over, as well as everything else they had on them before that clearance was given.

And FYI...Most plane crashes are because of human/machine error, only a VERY small percentage are terrorist...So why is finding the safest place due to terrorism? Though if I fly, I'm given a safety briefing by my security forces, telling me what is safest in *CASE* of a terrorist attack....Guess that's two strikes against me, I'd not even be getting my money back

[daleduke17]

Fine. I'm fucking wrong. Whatever.

I'm sick and tired of every time I try to say something, I'm considered an asshole, racist or wanting a police state.

Hey mods, delete my fucking account, please.

[Slytovhand]

I'm thinking that it was the other passengers who were racist. They saw someone dressed in Muslim clothing, with arabic looks, overheard a few words - and got edgy. They did what I presume everyone is told to do.. if they see something 'suspicious', tell the officials.

Yes, I'm thinking the passengers were being a bit racist (and paranoid), and the other officials weren't good either.

[Cat]

I heard one of the family members on NPR the other day....now, Id be pretty pissed about all this, but the guy was cool....he praised the FBI for getting them a flight, and the interviewer make a joke about the guys Michigan accent.


From the interview, the family was merely debating whether the front or the back of the plane were the safest seats.....no mention of explosives or anything stupid like that.

[Boozy]

Fine. I'm fucking wrong. Whatever.

I'm sick and tired of every time I try to say something, I'm considered an asshole, racist or wanting a police state.

I don't think anyone has called you a racist asshole or any other names that I have seen (I hope not). In fairness, I called you naive, and that wasn't very cool of me. I should have said that I found your argument ill-informed. I owe you an apology there.

With that said, no one is going to stop disagreeing with you if that's how they feel. It certainly sucks to be in the minority opinion, and you've found yourself there a few times. It can make you feel like everyone's ganging up on you, even though it's not about you personally. It's just that you happen to be the only one taking the other side here.

Hey mods, delete my fucking account, please.

If you don't want to come back, don't. But your account will still be here should you change your mind. I hope you do.

[powerboy]

Fine. I'm fucking wrong. Whatever.

I'm sick and tired of every time I try to say something, I'm considered an asshole, racist or wanting a police state.

I know how you feel. Also on here, when I post something, I get treated like an asshole from some people. That is why I hardly come here anymore. it makes it no fun to be a part of this site, when that stuff happens.

[The Shadow]

What really makes me angry about this is that the people most responsible, -- the passengers that overheard them talking and reported them to airline staff, probably faced no consequences because of this. I realize that when it comes to airline security these days, you can't be too careful. But I find it difficult to believe that the airline would have taken their complaint seriously if they'd relayed what had been said accurately. My guess is they only overheard parts of their conversation and filled in the gaps with their own imaginations and basically blew it all out of proportion.

If anything, THEY'RE the ones that should apologize.

[lordlundar]

The airline and associated people did right. The fact the people are Muslim was a coincidence.

You seriously believe that bunch of bull you just spewed? Here's a news flash for you, THEY PASSED THE SECURITY CHECK! The FBI gave their okay that they were not dangerous so security was no longer an issue. Yet the airline STILL refused them completely for no reason that I can see apart that they are Muslim. That is discrimination at it's heart.

[Sylvia727]

I didn't know that it was federal law. I'm not surprised, but I hadn't known that. So I'm a bit less impressed, but I still admire the senior officials for jumping on the ball so quickly and efficiently. Yes, it's their job and legal requirement, but they deserve a quick pat on the back for it all the same. If they investigate who precisely was/were the racist(s) in this scenario and take appropriate measures, also their job, then they will deserve a longer pat on the back for that.

[IDrinkaRum]

From my understanding, all the people on the plane were removed (not just those who were Muslim) and they were all put through the security check again. All the people on the plane were "inconvenienced", not just the suspected Muslim terrorists.

Playing the "If I wasn't Muslim, and I said that exact same statement, I wouldn't be in this predicament"? Yeah ... RACE/RELIGION CARD.

Let me tell y'all something: I'm a white, middle-class female in her 30's. If I were to see my friend Jack at the airport, or realized we were on the same plane together, do y'all suppose I'd be in deep doo-doo for saying: "Hi, Jack!" really loud? If you don't think I'd get looked at closely by the FBI for that, then you're living in La-La land.

There are certain things you do. not. say. in the post-9/11 world and some of them are: discussing the plane blowing up, how to get into the cockpit and anything that sounds like you're wanting to take over the airplane at all no matter what race, sex, or religion you are.

[Greenday]

Playing the "If I wasn't Muslim, and I said that exact same statement, I wouldn't be in this predicament"? Yeah ... RACE/RELIGION CARD.

Let me tell y'all something: I'm a white, middle-class female in her 30's. If I were to see my friend Jack at the airport, or realized we were on the same plane together, do y'all suppose I'd be in deep doo-doo for saying: "Hi, Jack!" really loud? If you don't think I'd get looked at closely by the FBI for that, then you're living in La-La land.

There are certain things you do. not. say. in the post-9/11 world and some of them are: discussing the plane blowing up, how to get into the cockpit and anything that sounds like you're wanting to take over the airplane at all no matter what race, sex, or religion you are.

It's not really the race card if it's true.

If you said "Hi, Jack" to a friend on a plane, you would not get kicked off a plane. Not at all.

I've discussed planes blowing up before while on a plane. I've discussed emergencies on a plane. All of this post-9/11. I didn't get kicked off the plane. I didn't even get talked to. So I guess that means that just talking about it doesn't automatically get you kicked off a plane. Which means there must have been some other motive.

[Evandril]

It's not really the race card if it's true.

If you said "Hi, Jack" to a friend on a plane, you would not get kicked off a plane. Not at all.

I've discussed planes blowing up before while on a plane. I've discussed emergencies on a plane. All of this post-9/11. I didn't get kicked off the plane. I didn't even get talked to. So I guess that means that just talking about it doesn't automatically get you kicked off a plane. Which means there must have been some other motive.

Actually, if you were to loudly say 'Hi, Jack!' on a plane...expect to be talking to someone. The actions of *removing* them and determining if there was a threat I find fairly silly, but can understand. Not allowing them back on? *THAT* part was uncalled for. Honestly, if I'm planning on doing something to endanger the plane, I don't really believe I'd be trying to figure out the *safest* place to sit...Either I'm willing to die for my cause, and take everyone else out, or I'm not going to be in my 'safe' seat in any case. Has anyone heard of someone taking over an aircraft, and then going *BACK* to their seat and sitting down? Seems sorta like thinking someone might be a suicide bomber because they are talking about bullet proof vests, IMO.