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[AccountingDrone]

To be fair, this is sound advice from a dietary stance. By breaking food up you eat slower and therefore less as your body triggers the hormones that indicate fullness. We tend to eat too much by eating too fast. It wouldn't be so bad if it were simply paired with ways to a healthier diet, yeah?

I know what you mean.If they had said, cut out soda and junk food to save money or eat slower and savor your food it would have sounded better. But the way it's worded sounds more like "shut up , eat your crumbs and be happy about it.". All of the so-called advice is just reeks of elitism.

(I apologize for any mistakes, my brain has English issues in the morning)

I also have issues occasionally with aphasia, it is part and parcel with my dyslexia - it is an underlying issue with my brain being miswired.

I am diabetic, have been for better than 30 years. It is sort of fun to step back and examine your actual diet for a week - sort of like those pictures of what a typical family in <wherever> eats. It can be interesting to take a day's allotment of food and turn it into something like a large pot of cabbage soup - it is amazing sometimes how much we tend to eat as compared to what we should be eating.

And I think the US has gotten away from how we should be eating, we are amazingly meat-centric - I do a heck of a lot less meat than most people - if I turned everything I eat tomorrow into a cabbage soup it would have about 6 ounces of sausage as the meat and fat content for 3 to 4 quarts of soup. [it depends on if I have bread or if I add the equivalent in barley to my soup and how much I water it down] [I might also add that I have long been accustomed to making soup as my food - I went through some fairly lean times in the 80s and did a lot of shopping in the crunch and dent veggies and combined them with a lot of beans and rice.]

[Andara Bledin]

We need the iron. Can't get that nearly as efficiently or in the right loadout without resorting to some red meat.

Plus, while we are essentially omnivores, we're primarily carnivorous or we wouldn't have such a lovely array of meat-grinding teeth filling most of our mouths. Grains, on the other hand, is what our food should be eating, not us.

[AccountingDrone]

Sorry, the flat grindy teeth are for grains and veggies, the pointy ripping teeth are for meat That is why horses don't have fangs !

And oddly enough, we don't need as much meat as people think - and minerals are bioavailable from vegetation as readily as from meat. Meat is basically the easy carrier for amino acids and a few oil soluble micronutrients.

[Gravekeeper]

Sorry, the flat grindy teeth are for grains and veggies, the pointy ripping teeth are for meat That is why horses don't have fangs !

Grains aren't a "natural" part of our diet. Agriculture is a recent addition historically speaking. The only reason we can use grain now is because the process of turning into a higher energy food stuff is relatively easy now with technology. Cereal grains are very new to the human diet. We don't have any evolutionary bonus to digesting them so to speak and in fact have a few problems doing so. They are also, nutrient wise, complete shit for us.

Natural grains have a low energy content as do wild plants and fruits that would have been available prior to widespread agriculture. Conversely, natural plants and fruits have a high vitamin content. However, we got the bulk of our energy and raw building blocks from meat which provided 3 times the energy than the same amount of gathered plants and fruits. Likewise, without meat we would be idiots. It was the ability to consume high energy/high fat meat that allowed us to grow these nice big brains.

In fact, the advent of agriculture and consumption of grains are an major foodstuff led to a *decrease* in health and lifespan in the period following. Cereal grains and shit need to be "enriched" to reach any kind of vitamin content.

And oddly enough, we don't need as much meat as people think - and minerals are bioavailable from vegetation as readily as from meat. Meat is basically the easy carrier for amino acids and a few oil soluble micronutrients.

Modern meat, like modern grain, is kind of shit for us really. Its much higher fat, especially saturated fat than the kind of meat we evolved to eat. Mainly due to us domesticating cattle and what not, breeding it for more bulk and fat then injecting it with shit. Wild game and Not Hormone Injected Cow meats are vastly better for us.

Also, while some of the same vitamins are readily available between meat and plant sources, they are not actually the same in terms of structure and the bodies ability to utilize. Iron for example comes in a different form in meat than it does in plants. The former is much easier for the body to absorb, while the latter requires several extra steps for our digestive system.

If you get 10mg of Iron from a plant source for example, you're not actually getting all 10 because the body is much worse at processing it. The body also requires additional Vitamin C in order to break down a plant based source of iron. So vegans actually need to eat more than the daily recommended intake of both in order to actually get the daily recommend intake.

This problem holds for more than a few vitamins and nutrients.

TL;DR Andara's right, grain should be fed to animals and that's about it. ;p

[AccountingDrone]

I agree with the modern grain and meat exposition - I was just commenting on the form of the different teeth - incisors for ripping meat and molars for grinding vegetable matter, and the format of the shorter combination intestinal tract being for omnivores rather than strictly really short for carnivore or really long for herbivore [though a double stomach so we could manage cellulose and the right suite of intestinal flora and fauna to help process everything would be really nice.] I think if we could optionally manage to have a more bovine digestive tract option for people who want to go vegetarian/vegan it would be great.

You would not believe the damned nutritional balancing act I go through with attaching macro and micro nutrient requirements in combination with the damned meds keeping me alive. I have to take my stuff on a schedule to keep them from all interfering with each other. Luckily I sort things into pill keepers and follow a strict schedule.
just add a vial and syringe for the insulin

[Gravekeeper]

I agree with the modern grain and meat exposition - I was just commenting on the form of the different teeth - incisors for ripping meat and molars for grinding vegetable matter

That's not really how it works though. Being omnivores, our teeth are hybrids. They're all purpose tools. Incisors for shearing, canines for gripping and molars for crushing. They are not teeth specific to different food stuffs. We do not have jaws designed or molars designed for grinding.

We have crushing molars, called bunodont. Horses and cow's that need to grind plant matter have hypsodont molars. The surface of a cow's molar is like a wavy cheese grater. As opposed to our nicely rounded crushing surface.

Also, male horses do have canines. Canines in mammals are typically larger in males and smaller or completely absent in females.

I think if we could optionally manage to have a more bovine digestive tract option for people who want to go vegetarian/vegan it would be great.

Honestly, that would suck. You would need triple the space in the abdominal cavity. The energy requirements to run your new body would mean you would be needing to eat constantly, as a vegan diet has a lower energy content. Herbivores feed constantly to supply their energy needs. A cow for example needs to eat around 3% of its body weight a day. That's twice what the average omnivorous human intakes per day. >.>

I have to take my stuff on a schedule to keep them from all interfering with each other. Luckily I sort things into pill keepers and follow a strict schedule.

Impressive, I only need 11 per day but in my defense I'm malnourished and 2 of those are my anti-anxiety meds.

[AccountingDrone]

Honestly, that would suck. You would need triple the space in the abdominal cavity. The energy requirements to run your new body would mean you would be needing to eat constantly, as a vegan diet has a lower energy content. Herbivores feed constantly to supply their energy needs. A cow for example needs to eat around 3% of its body weight a day. That's twice what the average omnivorous human intakes per day. >.>
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I would be more than willing to bet that there are PETA idiots out there that would figure that permanently grazing like that would be perfect as they don't have to enslave or torture any animals. I do know that I eat a hell of a lot more veggies than a lot of people do - helps keep the diabetes in control. And some days it does seem like I am eating all day [I like celery, so kill me I swear, the amount of celery I am allowed to eat, or leaves of romaine or cabbage ]

[Gravekeeper]

I would be more than willing to bet that there are PETA idiots out there that would figure that permanently grazing like that would be perfect as they don't have to enslave or torture any animals.

No doubt. They are literally bat shit crazy. Also, hypocrites that kill most the animals they rescue anyhow.

I do know that I eat a hell of a lot more veggies than a lot of people do - helps keep the diabetes in control. And some days it does seem like I am eating all day [I like celery, so kill me I swear, the amount of celery I am allowed to eat, or leaves of romaine or cabbage ]

Heck, eat all the celery you want. Its a net calorie loss for your body anyhow >.>

[Andara Bledin]

No doubt. They are literally bat shit crazy. Also, hypocrites that kill most the animals they rescue anyhow.

The leader of PETA actually believes that it's better to murder animals than to allow them to live in captivity.

[Lace Neil Singer]

The leader of PETA actually believes that it's better to murder animals than to allow them to live in captivity.

She's the biggest hypocrite of them all as she's fine with animal testing on the insulin that keeps her alive... cuz she thinks that she has to be alive to save all the animals in the world.

Note: I'm not saying that I think she ought to die, just that it's very hypocritical to say "Animal testing is evil!" and then use a drug which is tested on animals. She should at least say, like a lot of less crazy animal rights groups say, that medical testing might not be perfect but at least it saves lives, whereas testing perfumes and makeup on animals doesn't.

[AccountingDrone]

She's the biggest hypocrite of them all as she's fine with animal testing on the insulin that keeps her alive... cuz she thinks that she has to be alive to save all the animals in the world.

Note: I'm not saying that I think she ought to die, just that it's very hypocritical to say "Animal testing is evil!" and then use a drug which is tested on animals. She should at least say, like a lot of less crazy animal rights groups say, that medical testing might not be perfect but at least it saves lives, whereas testing perfumes and makeup on animals doesn't.

Major hot button - there is an FDA approved list of ingredients for everything from makeup, body products, drugs and foods that was extensively animal tested previously - so every bunny hugging company that claims they didn't animal test is technically correct, but someone DID animal test as recently as the 70s.

[Rapscallion]

Er, there's no way someone saying they don't use animals in testing can be made to say that nobody else is allowed to test those ingredients. I know of a few places that would happily declare their products as non-animal tested, and then stop others.

By the way, did you know there's been LD50 testing for water?

Rapscallion

[AccountingDrone]

Er, there's no way someone saying they don't use animals in testing can be made to say that nobody else is allowed to test those ingredients. I know of a few places that would happily declare their products as non-animal tested, and then stop others.

By the way, did you know there's been LD50 testing for water?

Rapscallion

ex-hazmat tech, why yes I know there has been LD50 testing for water

[Lace Neil Singer]

Is that why bottled water now has a sell by date? XD

[s_stabeler]

Is that why bottled water now has a sell by date? XD

not exactly. it's not the water itself that is the problem, it's the bottle. Over time, chemicals from the bottle leech into the water, making it a bad idea to drink it.