My husband's thoughts about people on Welfare

[IDrinkaRum]

My laid-back, people will do what they do husband looked at me and said the following:

People on welfare should:

1. have no more than 3 children.

2. if they have more than 3, say, 10, then 7 of the children should be taken away and put in foster care or to relatives who can take care of the children without being on welfare.

3. if you're on welfare, you need to either be on birth control or be snipped so you can't make any more babies ... ever.

I have no clue what brought this about. My husband laughs at me 'cos i'm more conservative than he is! This is a new side of my hubby.

[guywithashovel]

My laid-back, people will do what they do husband looked at me and said the following:

People on welfare should:
3. if you're on welfare, you need to either be on birth control or be snipped so you can't make any more babies ... ever.

This sounds ideal. However, I am not sure if there is a good way of enforcing it. I guess we could require that everyone on welfare be on birth control, but I'm not sure how anyone could make sure that they take it.

Believe me, I think that people who need government assistance to get by should take every effort possible to avoid having more children to further exacerbate their problems. But I am not sure if there is a good way of enforcing this. If anyone knows of a good way, then I'd love to hear it.

[anriana]

Because living in a group home for children is better than living with a poor parent? And because the government should have control over the bodies of poor people? That's an interesting form of conservatism.

[Greenday]

Neither way is right. It's a really really shitty situation.

On the one hand, we have the government who can't even run itself correctly half the time, but might actually be able to afford to give the kids a good chance to succeed.

On the other hand, we have the poor, who I'm sure the majority of parents give their kids all the love possible, but raising their kids themselves means their kids start in a much worse economic situation.

Yea, awesome choices.

[AFPheonix]

Being poor does not make one a bad parent. There are a lot of other conditions to make one a bad parent however.

And enforcing permanent birth control on the poor? Yay eugenics, except that instead of skin color or ethnicity, we're punishing people for their class status. Yeah, let's not.

Definitely ENCOURAGE people who aren't able to afford more kids on their own to take advantage of family planning, but don't enforce draconian, frankly evil policies just because they may end up pregnant anyways.

[powerboy]

I always thought that Welfare, should be for people that cannot get out and work. Not for the people that don't want too.

[IDrinkaRum]

That's what I think about Welfare too. But there have been stories here and on CS that seem to show that people use it and unemployment benes to stave off having to work.

I just think there should be a cap on how long you get welfare. Those getting it should show that they're going to some kind of schooling to improve their stations in life, have someone kinda like a counselor to report to once a week to show they're doing something to help themselves out.

As for the enforced birth control? If you're struggling with 2 or whatever number of children on your income why the heck are you going to go for baby #3? or baby # whatever? Think about the children you already have. The people do need to be more responsible. Doesn't Planned Parenthood have programs that help the low-income people with birth control?

[anriana]

I just think there should be a cap on how long you get welfare. Those getting it should show that they're going to some kind of schooling to improve their stations in life, have someone kinda like a counselor to report to once a week to show they're doing something to help themselves out.

I thought there was?

As for the enforced birth control? If you're struggling with 2 or whatever number of children on your income why the heck are you going to go for baby #3? or baby # whatever? Think about the children you already have. The people do need to be more responsible. Doesn't Planned Parenthood have programs that help the low-income people with birth control?

No, they only exist to killz the babiez. Seriously, all of their services are offered on a sliding income scale. I'm confused by this paragraph though. Are you in favor of government enforced birth control or not?

[Boozy]

What a horrifying thought. What if my parents, who had four children, had fallen on hard times?

"Sorry, Mr. and Mrs. Boozy, but your fourth born now belongs to the state. Your bodies also belong to the state; we will either force invasive surgery on one or both of you, or force you to take medication against your will."

[AdminAssistant]

Not to mention those whose religion forbids them from taking birth control. I don't want them to keep me from getting an abortion if I need it, and I won't force them to take birth control. However, there does need to be more personal responsibility. Honestly, it's the whole culture of America - children are rewarded. You get money from the state, tax benefits, and benefits at work.

[Greenday]

Not to mention those whose religion forbids them from taking birth control. I don't want them to keep me from getting an abortion if I need it, and I won't force them to take birth control. However, there does need to be more personal responsibility. Honestly, it's the whole culture of America - children are rewarded. You get money from the state, tax benefits, and benefits at work.

Which religions?

[IDrinkaRum]

I'm not for enforced birth control. However, I do believe that birth control should be made available and in more quantities and easier (especially the pills for women because men, and not all men believe this but I've met quite a few who do, don't think birth control is "important") to get a hold of.

As I said. I have no clue where my husband's comments came from. They were really from left field.

And yes, under the current Welfare system, there are rules about how long you can get the welfare, and certain things you have to do before you can either get off of it completely or keep it for x amount of time to keep you afloat a little longer. But I don't believe they are enforced.

Welfare is a recent phenomenon. Created by the 1930's Democrats to help those in the Recession/Great Depression of the 20th century. Before that, the only way people could get help was by the generosity of strangers/people in their town/their families. Then Government stepped in.

[IDrinkaRum]

Which religions?

As a Roman Catholic, if I were only taking Birth Control to curb having children, I could be excommunicated from the church. My father can be excomunicated from the church because of his vasectomy.

[Greenday]

As a Roman Catholic, if I were only taking Birth Control to curb having children, I could be excommunicated from the church. My father can be excomunicated from the church because of his vasectomy.

You know, the Roman Catholic Church is against a lot of things. Except I don't the Bible saying anything about not doing them.

[IDrinkaRum]

You know, the Roman Catholic Church is against a lot of things. Except I don't the Bible saying anything about not doing them.

For the abortion thing, I think that falls under the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment which is what a lot of our (meaning the modern day world, not just America) laws are based on.