Kid Stabs Bully To Death: Could be tried as an adult.

[Rageaholic]

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This sounds like a case where they need to take the situation into account. The poor kid was being harassed for months and even threatened with death. As always, the schools did nothing about it so he probably felt as if he had no choice. Trying him as an adult is just stupid.

[crashhelmet]

This is one of those situations where the law doesn't protect the kid. If he beat him to death with his own hands or something he found at the scene, he would be safe (or at least safer). It's the fact that he brought a knife from home that leans towards intent and hurts his case.

Hopefully the jury will sympathize with him and acquit him.

[Greenday]

Hopefully the jury will sympathize with him and acquit him.

Hopefully not. People who commit murders belong in prison. Bullying is not an excuse for murder.

[Rageaholic]

Hopefully not. People who commit murders belong in prison. Bullying is not an excuse for murder.

Two words: Self defense.

[dendawg]

Two words: Self defense.

Self defense only counts if the kid was being attacked by the bully at the time of death. Seeing as how the kid was possibly the aggressor this time, self defense doesn't seem to apply.

[s_stabeler]

actually, the bully was said to be punching the kid, THEN the kid struck out, stabbing the bully. I agree it isn't a simple self-defence case, but please argue the actual facts.

my own opinion is that this comes under "crimes of passion" more than self-defence- it sounds to me more like the kid snapped after being bullied, and lashed out. It deserves a lower sentence, but not aquittal. Though I would probably still try him as a juvenile- Youht courts DO tend towards rehabilitation, and that is what this kid needs (specifically, a therapist to help him cope with having been bullied, and possibly some help to avoid being quite so violent if it happened again- maybe get him some self-defence classes? generally bullies will knock it off if they lose a fight. ( talking from personal experience- I used to get jumped about once a year by bullies. They lost, so stuck to mental bullying)

[Greenday]

It's still pre-meditated. He didn't bring the knife to school to cut some food for lunch. He brought it to stab someone.

14 is ridiculous for adult court though.

[Rageaholic]

actually, the bully was said to be punching the kid, THEN the kid struck out, stabbing the bully. I agree it isn't a simple self-defence case, but please argue the actual facts.

my own opinion is that this comes under "crimes of passion" more than self-defence- it sounds to me more like the kid snapped after being bullied, and lashed out. It deserves a lower sentence, but not aquittal. Though I would probably still try him as a juvenile- Youht courts DO tend towards rehabilitation, and that is what this kid needs (specifically, a therapist to help him cope with having been bullied, and possibly some help to avoid being quite so violent if it happened again- maybe get him some self-defence classes? generally bullies will knock it off if they lose a fight. ( talking from personal experience- I used to get jumped about once a year by bullies. They lost, so stuck to mental bullying)

Yeah, to quote a cliche, the bully started it lol.

The juvy court makes sense. Anyone with any knowledge of psychology should be able to tell this isn't a serial killer/gangbanger.

It's still pre-meditated. He didn't bring the knife to school to cut some food for lunch. He brought it to stab someone.

14 is ridiculous for adult court though.

He brought the knife because he anticipated the threat to his life. The attackers were harassing him for months and yes, threatened him with death (or at the very least bodily harm). Since no one was doing anything about it, it might have very well been this kids life or the attacker.

[s_stabeler]

It's still pre-meditated. He didn't bring the knife to school to cut some food for lunch. He brought it to stab someone.

14 is ridiculous for adult court though.

that's what was unclear- did he brig the knife to school while looking for an excuse to stab someone (in which case it is murder) or did he bring the knife to school in case he needed to defend himself? (in which case, self-defence may apply)

I can see we all agree that adult court is ridiculous regardless for this situation though.

[crashhelmet]

Hopefully not. People who commit murders belong in prison. Bullying is not an excuse for murder.

The more I think about this, I should've worded it all better.

If he brought the knife for the sole purpose to kill his bully, like a kid in Vancouver, Washington did, then he deserves to be tried. I'm torn on whether he should be tried as an adult or a juvenile though.

Without knowing his intention, it's hard to say.

Did he intend to scare him off or did he go in with the premeditated intention to kill him?

[Rageaholic]

Did he intend to scare him off or did he go in with the premeditated intention to kill him?

How is that determined though? (genuinely curious)

[Greenday]

The more I think about this, I should've worded it all better.

If he brought the knife for the sole purpose to kill his bully, like a kid in Vancouver, Washington did, then he deserves to be tried. I'm torn on whether he should be tried as an adult or a juvenile though.

Without knowing his intention, it's hard to say.

Did he intend to scare him off or did he go in with the premeditated intention to kill him?

If he intended to use it to score him off, why didn't he make any attempt to score the guy off instead of waiting to pull it out until a fight already started.

[s_stabeler]

If he intended to use it to score him off, why didn't he make any attempt to score the guy off instead of waiting to pull it out until a fight already started.

possibly because pulling the knife may actually have given the bully a self-defense argument?

[Greenday]

possibly because pulling the knife may actually have given the bully a self-defense argument?

"I punched him because he showed me a knife!" said no one ever.

[SkullKing]

“They were after him for three months, and they couldn’t find him because he stayed behind closed doors,” Poulos told reporters, including WCBS 880′s Jim Smith. “He came out of closed doors, and they sicced on him.”

“We do know that five to seven different times they came to his apartment, tried to knock down the door, told him he was dead … and they urinated on the door,” Poulos said, 1010 WINS’ Carol D’Auria reported. “The super had to keep cleaning up urine from these kids.”

IF this is true, and IF the kid sought aduklt help and was ignored,as sometimes happens, than I think this is grounds for a knifing.

In his place I would be fearing for my life, and it would make sense to get the guy before he got me.

But I didn´t see anywhere that he looked for help before deciding to knife the guy.