Here we go again

[Gravekeeper]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/26529511/...ice?hpt=ju_bn2

But hey! At least the victim is white this time so the officer used a tazer. He STILL managed to kill him though. But he was only temporarily dead! So we cool, right?

For fark sakes what is going on with the police down there? And more importantly, why do they think they can just lie their way out of it despite being surrounded by witnesses and cameras? >.>

I mean this is a scrawny white boy whose dad is a cop. Even if he did actually pick a fight with the officer ( as opposed to just being tazered in his car, dragged onto the curb and convulsing to death while the officer stood on his back ) you can't subdue a scrawny teenager sitting down in a car? What the fuck are you even being paid for?

[ninjasushi]

Well the less physical interaction the better. My father is also a deputy and its a rough world. You don't know who are the good and who are the bad. You don't know if the person you are talking to is an everyday Joe or someone who DOES NOT want to go back to jail.

As a police officer you cant take risks. One bad judgement call means you don't go home at the end of the day. Im former military, I also don't take risks. Maybe Im biased and the wrong person to ask...but if its a chance of getting hurt and not going home to my daughter, I would tase them too.

My father always told me his job is "damned if you do, damned if you don't". Like the domestic abuser he had to wrestle because he wasn't cooperating...While the abusee says "you don't need to do that! Youre hurting him". You cant win.

All in all, if the kid just cooperated it wouldn't have happened. Just let yourself be arrested and fix it later. Right or wrong, cooperate with the police.

[Greenday]

I'm curious as to why you immediately take the friend's side over the cop's since there's no evidence available other than biased testimony.

[KabeRinnaul]

Pattern recognition.

[SkullKing]

I'm curious as to why you immediately take the friend's side over the cop's since there's no evidence available other than biased testimony.

From the article, emphasis mine:

"Because of significant inconsistencies between public statements made by the Independence Police Department and information made available to the family in the form of statements of eyewitnesses and video and audio footage of the occurrence, the family has asked the United States Department of Justice to conduct its own investigation into these tragic events."

Seems there is evidence besides biased testimony.

[Greenday]

Pattern recognition.

Of what? Teens disrespecting authority? Teens fighting with authority figures?

From the article, emphasis mine:

"Because of significant inconsistencies between public statements made by the Independence Police Department and information made available to the family in the form of statements of eyewitnesses and video and audio footage of the occurrence, the family has asked the United States Department of Justice to conduct its own investigation into these tragic events."

Seems there is evidence besides biased testimony.

So unless anyone here has seen it (which it's not in the article), that's still making a judgement based on no facts.

[Kheldarson]

Of what? Teens disrespecting authority? Teens fighting with authority figures?

No, of cops in the Missouri area making poor decisions in their jurisdictions and then trying to cover it.

Also, the teen in question doesn't seem to have been fighting with the cop. It instead seems to be that the cop took umbrage to the teen being unable to comply to a request due to faulty lines in his car.

[KabeRinnaul]

Of what? Teens disrespecting authority? Teens fighting with authority figures?

Of cops reacting poorly to citizens not respecting their authoritah, mostly.

So unless anyone here has seen it (which it's not in the article), that's still making a judgement based on no facts.

So... even though the article pretty much says outright that video evidence contradicts the cop's story, we're being biased and making unfounded assumptions because we have not personally viewed said video evidence?

[Gravekeeper]

I'm curious as to why you immediately take the friend's side over the cop's since there's no evidence available other than biased testimony.

A kid ended up dead over a simple traffic stop. One where the officer did not even use his sidearm. Even if this happened in a void without audio, video and witness testimony it would still raise serious questions. The kid died at the scene from major head injury, was resuscitated on scene and is now in a medically induced coma due to brain swelling.

The police statement on the matter said he "fell at some point during the vehicle stop" and "was having a medical emergency". They also said he was tazed while still in the car but "got out of the car under his own power".

But hey, here's some witness video.

It doesn't show what happened prior. But it does show the already injured kid on the ground, convulsing, while the officer stands over him with a foot on him, drags him around and then at one point even starts kicking him to see if he's still alive I guess.

At no point does the officer render aid. He lets the kid convulse and die on the ground.

[Hyena Dandy]

So unless anyone here has seen it (which it's not in the article), that's still making a judgement based on no facts.

Do you just assume everything is made up until you actually see a picture of it? How do you function? Do you read the paper and see the results of a sports game and go 'Well, they SAY the Jets won, but I wasn't watching, so who knows? There's no facts!'

You seem to have a ridiculously high standard of 'No facts.'

[Greenday]

But hey, here's some witness video.

It doesn't show what happened prior. But it does show the already injured kid on the ground, convulsing, while the officer stands over him with a foot on him, drags him around and then at one point even starts kicking him to see if he's still alive I guess.

At no point does the officer render aid. He lets the kid convulse and die on the ground.

Not sure what you were looking at, but the kid was clearly face up at first and the cop "dragging him" was him turning the kid over so he wouldn't choke on his own tongue, an extremely common and the correct thing to do when someone is convulsing.

Do you just assume everything is made up until you actually see a picture of it? How do you function? Do you read the paper and see the results of a sports game and go 'Well, they SAY the Jets won, but I wasn't watching, so who knows? There's no facts!'

You seem to have a ridiculously high standard of 'No facts.'

No, but unlike this event in Missouri, hundreds of thousands if not millions of people witnessed the game.

[Gravekeeper]

Not sure what you were looking at

I could ask you the same question. In what world is the officer's actions in the video considered first aid?

, but the kid was clearly face up at first and the cop "dragging him" was him turning the kid over so he wouldn't choke on his own tongue, an extremely common and the correct thing to do when someone is convulsing.

Absolutely not. You put them on their side in the recovery position and ensure a clear airway, cushion their head to prevent further injuries and you actively monitor breathing and pulse. You do not drag them over on their front like a trash bag, watch them suffocate and die then kick them to see if they are still alive.

A fucking cop should know basic first aid.

[protege]

Of cops reacting poorly to citizens not respecting their authoritah, mostly.

Yep, this. Quite a few cops have a God complex, and woe to anyone that "disrespects" them. Ran into a couple of them myself. One, decided to cite me after an accident...simply because my dad and I argued with him. What happened, was I had someone hit the brakes in front of me on a slick road. I tried to stop, but slid right into him. I told him what happened; the guy waiting for the bus told him what happened, and so did the people I rear-ended. I'd just left the traffic light, so there's no way in hell I was speeding.

Anyone want to guess what happened? Yep, the cop saw me as a freshly-licensed 16-year-old male, and automatically decided that I was speeding. By then my dad had arrived to pick me up, heard what happened, and told the cop that it wasn't. Because my dad and I "disrespected" the prick, not only did I get cited for "reckless driving" and "failure to control the vehicle" but 6 fucking points on my license.

All that, because my dad and I, civilians, dared to disagree with a cop. At least I fought it and won. Still, why the hell did I have to do that?

I'll tell you why. Some cops get that God feeling when they slap on their pea-shooter, and get behind the wheel of that Crown Vic. The asshole that cited me was one of them. Unfortunately, I no longer trust the police department anywhere.

[Hyena Dandy]

Not sure what you were looking at, but the kid was clearly face up at first and the cop "dragging him" was him turning the kid over so he wouldn't choke on his own tongue, an extremely common and the correct thing to do when someone is convulsing.

You mean putting him in the recovery position.

You do that by rolling someone on their side making sure the mouth is down, and the chin is up. Remaining face-down isn't the recovery position. You also roll the person, you do not grab them by the arm, and move them slightly to the right. Indeed, to my knowledge, the foot is not used for any form of first aid.

[Gravekeeper]

The foot is used to measure the amount of impending paperwork.