Guy loses his job for what he said on TV.

[Greenday]

Just make sure you don't accidentally get taped or recorded when you are with your friends, or else you life could be ruined. If that happened to you, I bet you would be the first one to change your tune.

I'm sorry to say, but there does come a time in life when you really do need to just grow a thicker skin and suck it up.

Funny how the only people who say that seem to be the people who say the offensive stuff.

I don't have to worry about my friend's recording me because I don't try to keep people down because of their genitals or skin color.

[cewfa]

I'm sorry, but I can't really take you seriously when you get up in arms about the idiot things people say and then have a signature line that says "Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers".

I personally find wanton violence to be a much more odious thing in society than people who shout questionable things when they are drunk. What, exactly, have I personally said to anyone on this board that was offensive? If you read a couple of posts back, I said that I thought the whole FHRITP thing was disgusting, and I even agreed that he should in fact lose his job, because he signed a code of conduct that he knew about when he got the job. What I disagree with is using social media as a crusade to ruin someone, just because they made a bad decision and you were offended.

At the end of the day, all this does is prove me right. Social Media really is the decay of Western Society, and throw liberalism in there as another decay of Western Society, because this is all liberal propaganda. So much for the people who call themselves open-minded.

Oh and another thing, where have I said that I am for keeping women and minorities down?

[Greenday]

I'm sorry, but I can't really take you seriously when you get up in arms about the idiot things people say and then have a signature line that says "Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers".

I personally find wanton violence to be a much more odious thing in society than people who shout questionable things when they are drunk. What, exactly, have I personally said to anyone on this board that was offensive? If you read a couple of posts back, I said that I thought the whole FHRITP thing was disgusting, and I even agreed that he should in fact lose his job, because he signed a code of conduct that he knew about when he got the job. What I disagree with is using social media as a crusade to ruin someone, just because they made a bad decision and you were offended.

At the end of the day, all this does is prove me right. Social Media really is the decay of Western Society, and throw liberalism in there as another decay of Western Society, because this is all liberal propaganda. So much for the people who call themselves open-minded.

Oh and another thing, where have I said that I am for keeping women and minorities down?

Where have I said that YOU'VE said any of that?

Also, not sure if you've seen the movie but they clearly weren't talking about personal violence for the sake of violence.

[cewfa]

You implied it by saying this:

Funny how the only people who say that seem to be the people who say the offensive stuff.

ETA: They are talking about war, which is usually caused in the name of greed or religion. In a perfect world, war should only be a defense mechanism.

[Greenday]

You implied it by saying this:

Funny how the only people who say that seem to be the people who say the offensive stuff.

Unless I say specifically your name, I'm speaking on generic terms. But it's cute you think it's all about you.

[cewfa]

You quoted me and were talking to me, what am I supposed to think?

[Greenday]

You quoted me and were talking to me, what am I supposed to think?

Yes, because I was talking about the phrase you used.

[cewfa]

You know what, it is time for me to watch Law and Order: SVU. Have a good night.

[Ree]

You know what, it is time for me to watch Law and Order: SVU. Have a good night.

I think that's a very good idea.
If you can't stand the heat, then maybe you should get away from the flames.
You seem to be taking things way too personally at the moment.
This is fratching, where your views will be challenged. That's how the place works. It's nothing personal.
If you can't debate without feeling personally atttacked, or make a point and back it up without resorting to personal attacks, then fratching is not the place for you.

I find it ironic that we have had to moderate a couple of your posts in the past few days, because you took offense to comments that you felt were being personally directed at you, yet you make these comments:

Contrary to popular liberal belief, you don't have the right to be not offended by anything in this world. If you are offended by something, it is almost always your problem and not the problem of the offender. Offended? Suck it up, buttercup and live your own life and quit worrying about others are doing.

I'm sorry to say, but there does come a time in life when you really do need to just grow a thicker skin and suck it up.

[s_stabeler]

Actually, both sides have a point. Free speech might only protect you from governmental action- and even then, the Supreme Court recognizes the existence of "Fighting words" that have no free speech protection- but it doesn't mean freedom from consequences. However, those consequences should be proportional. ( so, for example, IN GENERAL you should not be fired for a comment that makes it's way to social media. If, however, you ahve a pattern of making offensive comments at work, you SHOULD lose your job. Further, calling out someone making an offensive comment is fine- but don't try to ruin their life afterwards)

[TheHuckster]

Actually, both sides have a point. Free speech might only protect you from governmental action- and even then, the Supreme Court recognizes the existence of "Fighting words" that have no free speech protection- but it doesn't mean freedom from consequences. However, those consequences should be proportional. ( so, for example, IN GENERAL you should not be fired for a comment that makes it's way to social media. If, however, you ahve a pattern of making offensive comments at work, you SHOULD lose your job. Further, calling out someone making an offensive comment is fine- but don't try to ruin their life afterwards)

That's pretty much my take on a lot of this sort of thing. Freedom of speech prohibits the government from prosecuting anyone from speaking their mind, however the consequences from the public can still be completely out of proportion with what was said. Mainly because thanks to the Internet, anyone's past public regrets are not only available to anyone who searches for one's name, but if their past mistake was made into a meme or featured on the news, it's the only piece of information you can find about a person. Plus, thanks to the sensationalism that often comes from media hype or a meme, the event itself may have even been blown out of proportion or exaggerated. Never mind the unlucky few who might share that person's name.

The event may have happened many years ago, which the person may have since matured from or otherwise gotten a clue bat from, yet thanks to that mistake 10 years ago, it still comes back to haunt. As I said earlier in this thread, I really don't have an solution to this problem, because it really comes down to mob mentality, and if you try to do something about them, then you risk messing with their freedom of speech.

I think it's prudent to look at a few case studies on people (regular joe's, not celebrities) who made a media spectacle of themselves that cast them in a very negative light, and see just how much it affected their careers. It would be interesting to see if it's true that people who made an ass of themselves and had their 15 minutes of infamy are really that much worse off.

[Canarr]

I'm with s_stabeler and TheHuckster on this one. Yes, actions should have consequences; but they should be proportionate to the action in question. In this particular case, I personally wouldn't say that what the guy did should warrant the loss of his job. Then again, if he did sign this code of conduct crap, he at least knew what was expected of him.

[TheHuckster]

I'm not even talking about the initial firing, really. Whether the guy deserved to be fired from their present job for acting like an ass off the clock is up for debate, and while I lean towards giving the guy a break and at the very most giving him a stern talking to on Monday with a warning, I understand people's viewpoint if they just want to fire the guy. We also don't know if this guy did act like an ass on the job for a long time prior, and this was simply the last straw. This is likely to not be his first offense, either on the job or off the job.

I'm talking about the repeated repercussions long after the fact. As soon as your behavior reaches meme status, it's no different than The Scarlet Letter at that point. The only difference is instead of the badge being forced on by a court or government, it's by a bunch of strangers who spread the story around like wildfire, and as a result a simple google of your name yields that result no matter how long ago it was.

Before the Internet, it was much harder for things like this to make one famous or infamous for the rest of their lives. You might get 15 minutes of fame, and as a result be harassed for a little while, maybe even a year or two, but because it's not in any public records, your name will fade away as the event is merely recorded in peoples' memories.

And, especially if your behavior was due to immaturity, peer pressure, or simply being uneducated which the person had improved in the years since that incident, it becomes more unfortunate that the publicly imposed punishment lies with them for the remainder of their lives.

Again, I don't have a proposed solution to this, since you really can't control who uploads what, and how long it stays on the Internet. It's just a misfortunate result of a social system that has many benefits, but also many problems like this one.

[cewfa]

I think that's a very good idea.
If you can't stand the heat, then maybe you should get away from the flames.
You seem to be taking things way too personally at the moment.
This is fratching, where your views will be challenged. That's how the place works. It's nothing personal.
If you can't debate without feeling personally atttacked, or make a point and back it up without resorting to personal attacks, then fratching is not the place for you.

I find it ironic that we have had to moderate a couple of your posts in the past few days, because you took offense to comments that you felt were being personally directed at you, yet you make these comments:

I haven't taken anything personally against anyone here, all I have done is stuck up for myself, which I will do irregardless of the site rules. Which, BTW, why haven't the moderators done their jobs and gotten after Bledin? I think that calling someone irrational and delusional is more than just a friendly debate. Especially when I proved Bledin wrong.

Yes, I am calling out the moderators. Yes, I will stick up for myself. Don't like it? Ban me. This message board is meaningless to me. I still read CS.com and other message boards.

Oh, and BTW, I doesn't matter how something was meant, it matters how it was taken. I took Bledin's comments as an insult, that is all that matters.

[Ree]

Don't like it? Ban me.

As you wish.