Mother has abortion at eight months

[Andara Bledin]

I've seen articles (that I've taken with a rather large grain of salt given I found them on the internet) that say the unborn can feel pain far earlier than 5 months. Which I can believe because every time I've gone for an ultrasound (first one at ~7wks), my kid either rolls away from the probe or kicks at it. If they can notice an ultrasound probe (or the soundwaves coming from it) and it bothers them enough to move away, surely they can feel pain.

Technically, plants can 'feel' pain to that same degree, so that's not a particularly high hurdle. It's typically near the end of the second trimester - during the 6th month of pregnancy - that more advanced systems develop that take them past that point.

Also, you seem to conflate "negative stimulus" with "pain" despite the latter being only a subset of the former; there's a lot of things that we "move away from" that have nothing at all to do with pain.

[jedimaster91]

Also, you seem to conflate "negative stimulus" with "pain" despite the latter being only a subset of the former; there's a lot of things that we "move away from" that have nothing at all to do with pain.

Point being, on some level, regardless of the stimulus being "actual" pain or not, they still feel. At least enough to recognize they don't like something and want it to go away.

[Hyena Dandy]

Point being, on some level, regardless of the stimulus being "actual" pain or not, they still feel. At least enough to recognize they don't like something and want it to go away.

That's not how that works.

At that level, there is no 'Feel,' or 'Like,' or 'Want.' There's not enough there to process it.

My cat does not 'like' her dry cat food, and far prefers the wet food. She 'wants' to eat the wet food, so will ignore the dry food. There's a conscience there, a decision.

The tree in the back yard, however, does not 'Like' the sun, and 'Want' to get up to it. Grass does not 'Dislike' being cut, or 'Feel' a lawnmower. Those responses come, without an ability to process or think about it.