Marry your girlfriend or go to jail.

[mjr]

And those are usually for reasons outside of anyone's control. In this case, it was the judge's ruling that fucked everything up.

Again:

Why doesn't the guy (or his/his girlfriend's dad) get an attorney to file a stay, or file an appeal or injunction? Sounds like, if they have an attorney, he's being (or was) derelict in his duties as attorney by NOT doing so.

As to "reasons outside of anyone's control", that's partially true. That depends on how much you factor in "outside influences" (which this judge was).

In this case, the judge was definitely "outside of <their> control".

[Andara Bledin]

Why doesn't the guy (or his/his girlfriend's dad) get an attorney to file a stay, or file an appeal or injunction? Sounds like, if they have an attorney, he's being (or was) derelict in his duties as attorney by NOT doing so.

Yeah, because everybody has the money to hire a private attorney.

And for those that don't, Public Defenders are totally on the same level... >_>

Do you actually have any experience with the US justice system?

[Rageaholic]

^

And even if they could afford an attorney, it wouldn't make the judge's ruling any less wrong.

[s_stabeler]

I'll have to apologise up front if this post skates the rules on personal attacks. it's not meant to break them, but when someone comes up with such bullshit as mjr is spewing...

mjr, under your argument ( that not everyone can get what they want) then does that mean that the judge would be right to order someone to get married to someone other than their girlfriend? After all, it wasn't what you wanted to get married to the person you are forced to marry.

oh, and as for there being a choice, there actually isn't- it is basically a Hobson's Choice.

And to reiterate: the judge said they had to get married, or go to jail, meaning the jail time was for being unmarried- which ISN'T A CRIME. ( which is why, incidentally, the vascectomy mandates pass legal muster- they are usually part of the punishment for a crime, and the standards are looser for plea bargains than for sentencing. Theoretically, you can agree to just about anything in a plea bargain as long as it tin's grossly unfair or illegal.) In shoirt, the actual issue is that the guy was threatened with jail for something that merely didn't fit the judge's individual morals- but DID fit society's morals. ( basically, the guy was threatened with jail for 'living in sin')

So, to repeat: the wedding is irrelevant. the issue is that the judge threatened jail for something that was not a crime.

[mjr]

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mjr, under your argument ( that not everyone can get what they want) then does that mean that the judge would be right to order someone to get married to someone other than their girlfriend?

Sure. If you completely misinterpret what I said.

oh, and as for there being a choice, there actually isn't- it is basically a Hobson's Choice.

So let me ask you this: Do you agree with a Hobson's choice, under any circumstances?

I'm sure there are times (in fact, I'd put money on it) that people are "given" Hobson's choices that you actually do agree with.

And to reiterate: the judge said they had to get married, or go to jail, meaning the jail time was for being unmarried- which ISN'T A CRIME.

Sorry, but you're wrong here. The dude ASSAULTED SOMEONE (which actually IS a crime); or are you going to conveniently leave that out of the argument, because it doesn't support the argument you're trying to make?

So, to repeat: the wedding is irrelevant. the issue is that the judge threatened jail for something that was not a crime.

Again, no, he didn't. The crime was that the boyfriend ASSAULTED SOMEONE. I can't figure out what you don't understand about that.

And having ASSAULTED SOMEONE, the judge gave him a choice: Jail or marriage.

I do think, though, the judge should have let him call his employer. Remember: he WAS going to take the jail time.

[mjr]

Yeah, because everybody has the money to hire a private attorney.

Ever heard of "pro bono"?

I'm sure if a lawyer thought this was egregious, and the family couldn't afford it, a lawyer could probably be had pro bono.

Do you actually have any experience with the US justice system?

Aside from a couple of moving violations? No. Have you, since we're asking personal questions?

But my sister and her husband are both police officers. Does that count?

[mjr]

but DID fit society's morals.

So, in your mind, "society's morals" are correct in every case?

Here's a little tip for you: Just because "society" says something is OK, doesn't mean it is in every circumstance. Saying otherwise is circular logic.