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    Seriously, every day I grow to hate this state more. Our legislature is bound and determined to make sure this is the most backwards state in the country... they actually put forth an effort to make sure it is legal to fire someone for being gay... because of course we wouldn't want business owners to be forced to support a lifestyle they don't approve of (yet I bet if I owned a business and refused to hire mormons because I didn't agree with their lifestyle our legislature would raise holy hell over my blatant discrimination )

    The people of this state are no better... we had a representative on the floor make a comment "this bill is as ugly as a black baby"... he got reelected by a huge margin... as far as I'm concerned, that means that the people of this state at the very least condone his racism, and are probably racists themselves.

    As far as I know only two of my coworkers know I"m gay (it's not a topic that comes up at work very often)... the others give me such great tidbits of information.
    Things like one coworker complaining that she kept getting scheduled for sunday when she was the only employee who goes to church Sunday and is religious... I pointed out that I attend church regularly... her response "but you mentioned you were trying to leave the church"... the fact that there is more than one church on this planet evaded her... oh, and this other tidbit "well, you go to the Methodist church... attendance there isn't as important as it is for mormons"... umm, excuse me? Did I hear you correctly? My desire to go to church is less valid than yours just because I'm going to a different church?
    This is the same coworker, referring to Adam Lambert, "I bet you he's just acting gay to get attention"... ok... I might believe that... then followed it up with "I hate all the guys who act all flamboyant and gay just to get attention". And then proved just how much of a Utahn she is "yeah, I just could believe it when I found out (coworker) is gay... I mean, he seems so normal"... yes, according to Utahn's homosexuals can't be 'normal'... we must be Will from Will and Grace. Yes, it is ok to be gay as long as we don't flaunt it or bring attention to ourselves... did I mention that she recently had her hair bleached to beach blond... oh, it looks like it belongs on a barby doll... and that isn't to draw attention to yourself... hypocritical bitch.
    Oh, and while I'm bitching about the dominant religion... they're lovely stranglehold on the government... because the church has convinced the legislature that we the people don't know what is good for us we have one of the biggest nanny states ever... we're told that drinking is bad so to buy alcohol we will do you a favor and make it as hard to purchase as we can legally do... we're told that we don't know how to spend our money, so the state will protect us by making any form of gambling (even poker night at a friends house) illegal... to protect the citizenship... hell, the state has even put requirement in how restaurants are laid out to ensure that the innocent children don't see liquor bottles. Oh, and don't be afraid to buy food in this state... even the person at the movie theater scooping popcorn, or the guy at the food court serving sno cones, or even the guy at 7-11 should technically have a food handlers permit (at least in Cache county they do... not sure if it's the same in salt lake)... and speaking of... the health departments have so little respect for us, in Davis county there are signs from the health department reminding you that it is not advised to eat food in the restroom.
    While I'm ranting... let's point out that Salt Lake has the 6th worst air quality in the country, our transit system is a bad joke (ironic, considering that is something that could help with our air quality problems). This city truly is an 8-5 monday through friday only city... half the businesses aren't even open sunday, and those that are all have very limited hours. If you work graveyard shift in this city, shopping isn't just an inconvenient chore... it requires you to often times adjust your sleep schedule...

    And if I may take this way into fratching territory.
    There are only two outcomes of living in Utah... you either become a kool aide drinking, follow the prophet, mormon (who sees nothing wrong with supporting yes on H8, but it's ok, you think gays should have equal protections... unless oh God, you're actually going to ask us to provide those protections... didn't you know we were just saying that to shut you up), or you become an empty bitter shell (ok, so the mormons are empty shells, but they at least think they are happy).
    As far as social/love life is concerned, my options are 1. random craigslist hookups (yay, I could be the next victim of the next craigslist killer), 2. find someone who will settle for you as the best of limited options, and settle for them being the best of limited options... in a metro area of 2.1 million, over 50% of those being mormons, so really a metro area of about 1 million (for the statistics I'll be using), normally you'd expect 50-100k LGBT... however, the smart LGBT stay the hell away from utah, so, cut that number in half at least... I'm looking for a single guy, who is even vaguely compatible, and there is only a pool of 25-50k to find that person, and I'll have to spot them with 2.1 million people around them, half of which I have to hide who I'm looking for from... needle in a haystack doesn't even begin to describe it. At least in Reno I could expect the same number size of pool, except their they are only dispersed among half a million people, and in Reno I don't have to worry as much about who knows I'm gay.
    I'll be perfectly honest... this place is my own personal hell... my mother doesn't believe me when I've said the only thing that would be needed to push me over the edge far enough to consider suicide would be to fail a class and face having to spend another year in this state... God, I want nothing more than to get out. I can only pretend to be happy and loving life for so long... sadly, that is exactly what I need to stay employed... that's my only chance of ever actually getting friends who may make it not be an act... but it's so fucking hard to do when I wake up everyday and face the reality that I am in hell.
    "I'm Gar and I'm proud" -slytovhand

  • #2
    Originally posted by smileyeagle1021 View Post
    hell, the state has even put requirement in how restaurants are laid out to ensure that the innocent children don't see liquor bottles.
    Wait, what? Elaboration would be nice, please.


    Oh, and don't be afraid to buy food in this state... even the person at the movie theater scooping popcorn, or the guy at the food court serving sno cones, or even the guy at 7-11 should technically have a food handlers permit (at least in Cache county they do... not sure if it's the same in salt lake)[/quote]

    That's not really a bad idea.


    ... and speaking of... the health departments have so little respect for us, in Davis county there are signs from the health department reminding you that it is not advised to eat food in the restroom.
    That's just funny.


    This city truly is an 8-5 monday through friday only city... half the businesses aren't even open sunday, and those that are all have very limited hours. If you work graveyard shift in this city, shopping isn't just an inconvenient chore... it requires you to often times adjust your sleep schedule...
    There are still several banks in this county that close at Noon on Thursday and Saturday, 3-4pm Monday-Wednesday, and 6p on Friday. Hell, the county seat was confused for a bit when Wal-Mart went 24 hours.

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    • #3
      oy. didn't you know one religion is better than all the others?

      too bad you can't move to ny. granted i'm in upstate, not nyc... can't guarantee you'd find someone here, but the community college i'm going to is a bit more open minded about things like that. (i know there's at least one club on campus)

      and enough churches here have saturday services too, to keep everyone happy. (mine has one on saturday and three on sunday)

      actually that's a point for your co-worker who insists your church means less than hers... any reason she can't go extra early or on a saturday? or does she feel she shouldn't have to? yeesh

      of course the other thing about being allowed to fire someone for being gay... does that mean they're legally allowed to investigate you for it? would they? short of watching you in bed, unless they get concrete evidence they can't give proof.

      *hug*
      hope you get out soon tho

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      • #4
        Originally posted by daleduke17 View Post
        Wait, what? Elaboration would be nice, please.

        That's not really a bad idea.

        Hell, the county seat was confused for a bit when Wal-Mart went 24 hours.
        Kinda out of order, but yes, it isn't a bad idea... but it costs $15 per person per year for food handlers permits... that is a lot of money being spent for a lot of positions that don't really need the full class... after all, why does a concession stand employee need to know about the safe storage temperature of different meats?

        And elaboration... any new build restaurant must have all liquor stored and mixed out of sight of customers... so basically the requirement is that the restaurant is laid out that no matter where you are sitting you can't see in liquor... which for a lot of national chains, is part of what they are... like Applebees and Red Robin... their standard design is to have the bar in the center of the restaurant, with everything in glass displays... they can't build them that way anymore (buildings built before that rule went into place don't have to change it immediately, but I do believe if they ever renovate they have to change the layout). So if a chain wants to come to Utah they may have to spend large amounts of money to completely change the layout of their restaurant.

        Oh yeah, and at least one of the Salt Lake Wal-Marts closes (2.1 million people and our wal-mart closes).

        Originally posted by PepperElf View Post
        oy. didn't you know one religion is better than all the others?

        too bad you can't move to ny. granted i'm in upstate, not nyc... can't guarantee you'd find someone here, but the community college i'm going to is a bit more open minded about things like that. (i know there's at least one club on campus)

        and enough churches here have saturday services too, to keep everyone happy. (mine has one on saturday and three on sunday)

        actually that's a point for your co-worker who insists your church means less than hers... any reason she can't go extra early or on a saturday? or does she feel she shouldn't have to? yeesh

        of course the other thing about being allowed to fire someone for being gay... does that mean they're legally allowed to investigate you for it? would they? short of watching you in bed, unless they get concrete evidence they can't give proof.

        *hug*
        hope you get out soon tho
        and for my coworker she is Mormon... and if she is a good mormon she will go to the service that church leadership says she will go to based on her age, marital status, and location (yes, the church, in Utah, tells you where and when you will go to church based on those three factors).

        oh, Utah has open minded neighborhoods... Sugarhouse, the Avenues, the Marmalade District... all of those though cost at least twice as much as where I live now.

        And as far as for firing people... I believe that if your employer did want to fire you (I know my boss won't... he may use it as an excuse to get out of unemployment if he fires me for other reasons, but I doubt he'd fire me for being gay, because the company he franchises from is based in Canada and he knows if an employee were to lodge a complaint, it would have no legal standing, but it would get him in hot water with corporate). But it's not that hard to prove someone is gay for the sake of legal purposes within the state's unemployment and discrimination laws... hell, he could look up my facebook and it says it right on the front page of my profile... he could look up my myspace... with a little searching he could find out I'm a member of fratching and CS and find out from my posts there, and he would also through the same channels be able to find out I'm a member of gaygeeks.org.

        And as far as finding someone... probably anywhere without Utah's quirks would be good... dear God, I wish I was making this up... but if I had a dollar for every time I've seen a personals ad (which I doubt I'll ever find anything serious on those, but hey, it kills time at work) that says "Gay return missionary seeks fellow gay return missionary"... what the fuck... when I pretended to be straight I couldn't get anyone in this state because I wasn't a return missionary and now that I've admitted I'm gay I'm told the exact same fucking thing... gah!

        This state confuses me.

        and I'll be in a pissy mood all this week because I'm waiting for grades to be posted to find out whether or not I passed a class that is only offered once a year and is a prereq for a course I need to take this fall if I want to graduate next year... if I've failed it that means that it's not just another year in Utah... it's another year as a fucking night auditor.
        Last edited by smileyeagle1021; 05-11-2009, 03:02 PM.
        "I'm Gar and I'm proud" -slytovhand

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        • #5
          Ah Smiley, I'm sorry it all sucks! Yep, you need to get out! ASAP!!! (so then we can safely nuke the place )

          25-50 thousand possible matchups?? Cool! That's a hell of a lot more than I've got!!! (btw, I think you forgot to halve your number again, cos you're seeking a male, and you're numbers are for both genders in LGBT pool). Should I also point out.. they'll be trying to hide it as well? No. Probably shouldn't!

          Food Handler's permits? Actually, that does make sense! We're almost like that over here (you at least need to display that you have had some sort of basic hygiene training if you're handling food... that way, they can't say "But no-one told me!!!" whinge whinge, whine whine).

          Tell me though, if you failed your class, and (let's say) your home burnt down, and you car stuffed up, got fired, and all that jazz (basically, heading into worst possible scenario country), what would you do? If you're left with nothing, wouldn't you then be 'free' to do other things that you might not otherwise consider? If so, then why not do them now?? We really do have a lot more freedom that we give ourselves credit for... we just tend not to do anything about them cos we fear the consequences (like, not knowing what might come of it...).

          Just a thought...
          ZOE: Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?

          SHEPHERD BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, Somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Slytovhand View Post
            25-50 thousand possible matchups?? Cool! That's a hell of a lot more than I've got!!! (btw, I think you forgot to halve your number again, cos you're seeking a male, and you're numbers are for both genders in LGBT pool). Should I also point out.. they'll be trying to hide it as well? No. Probably shouldn't!
            thanks for pointing that out... making the numbers sound even more dismal... especially when dispersed between 2.1 million people over 1600 square miles (the approx. size of the Wasatch Front... 80 miles by 20).
            "I'm Gar and I'm proud" -slytovhand

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            • #7
              Originally posted by smileyeagle1021 View Post
              thanks for pointing that out... making the numbers sound even more dismal... especially when dispersed between 2.1 million people over 1600 square miles (the approx. size of the Wasatch Front... 80 miles by 20).
              No problem! Glad to help!
              (I'm a practicing druidic shaman, and I'd need a partner who is fairly well up on that sort of thing... that means, there's only going to be a few thousand - and that's over the whole freaking planet! Your stats look fantastic compared to mine!


              Dude, I've been single for..??? That long.... yeah, I know, we're two different kinds of people, but you're still young (trust me, you are!!) You're only about 10% into your life (the first 16 years or so don't really count, because you don't get to really be 'you'.. you're still a kid who has to do as your told .. for the most part). You'll be out of there soon enough, and life will be great!

              So, just be patient, and hang in there, and she'll be bonza (and remember, it's always worse while you look from the inside... if you start taking a bigger perspective, it really changes your attitude!)
              ZOE: Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?

              SHEPHERD BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, Somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

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              • #8
                a little picture i found ... to make you laugh i hope...

                http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/...1234948570.jpg

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