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This is one I was going to post in Cursing out Coworkers, but I realized two things, one it would be extremely hard for me to make the post non fratching worthy, and even if I could, any time the word 'prop' and the number '8' are used in a sentence debates begin, fists start to fly, and nuclear war can't be far over the horizon.
So anyway, in October, the conversation was "of course the church has a right to get involved in this issue. It's not a political issue, it's a moral issue and the church has every right to be involved in moral issues"
Yesterday- "I'm so sick of gay rights activists, first in November they protested at Temple Square, then in April they threatened to protest General Conference, and now they are having their pride festival less than a mile away from Temple Square... why must they continually defile what we hold sacred, this is a political issue, it should be protested at government centers"
Ok, a few things sweetheart, first, the Pride festival is held in Washington square, a government owned park, in a convenient downtown location... it's proximity to Temple Square is coincidence.
Second, the planned 'protest' as you call it, was a proposed community service project to coincide with General Conference weekend, as a not so subtle way of demonstrating that gays and their supporters can do just as much for the community as the Mormon majority.
Third... excuse me, but in October you were hot and heavy about how the church should be involved because it's a moral issue, but now that people are discovering the extent of the church's involvement (and please don't spout the 'mormons make up 2% of california's population' bullcrap, that only incriminates your church more because you're showing just how instrumental the church was to be the smallest population wise yet the largest money wise and man hour wise) are starting to be upset is it no longer a moral issue.
And now into pure fratching territory, and what I pointed out to her, was that I thought it entirely appropriate that this issue be protested in front of Temple Square, after all, the United Methodist Church that my parents were married in (they lived in Los Angeles at the time) was one of the churches that was performing same sex marriage ceremonies... your church just assisted in denying my church the right to perform a religious ceremony... it seems only right then that, as it is now truly a religious issue as well as political, and by your own words, moral issue, for the churches to be protested along with everyone else.
(a for the record update, The United Methodist Church is only accepting of homosexuality at a local level, do NOT go into one expected them to be accepting unless you have already confirmed the local denomination is accepting. On a national level they will support a few token 'privileges', like the privilege not to get fired or evicted, but they do NOT support full equality)
Her response, which made this truly Cursing out Coworkers worthy (and I may yet find a way to cut out the fratching material to make this CS friendly... probably not though), her retort "well, you of all people (keeping in mind, she doesn't know that I left the church because I'm gay, that's something I don't bring up at work, because it has nothing to do with my job, she only knows I left the church because she saw me drafting my resignation letter) who converted and left... it's quite natural for a convert to as soon as there is a conflict between his new church and the church his family is a member of to jump ship and take the easy way out rather than the right way out... if you were a lifelong member you'd understand"
I'd like to point out... I have never started the conversation at work... she's always been the one to start with her complaints with me trying to do my best to stay out of her way (with the exception of yesterday when I gave her an actual retort).
So anyway, in October, the conversation was "of course the church has a right to get involved in this issue. It's not a political issue, it's a moral issue and the church has every right to be involved in moral issues"
Yesterday- "I'm so sick of gay rights activists, first in November they protested at Temple Square, then in April they threatened to protest General Conference, and now they are having their pride festival less than a mile away from Temple Square... why must they continually defile what we hold sacred, this is a political issue, it should be protested at government centers"
Ok, a few things sweetheart, first, the Pride festival is held in Washington square, a government owned park, in a convenient downtown location... it's proximity to Temple Square is coincidence.
Second, the planned 'protest' as you call it, was a proposed community service project to coincide with General Conference weekend, as a not so subtle way of demonstrating that gays and their supporters can do just as much for the community as the Mormon majority.
Third... excuse me, but in October you were hot and heavy about how the church should be involved because it's a moral issue, but now that people are discovering the extent of the church's involvement (and please don't spout the 'mormons make up 2% of california's population' bullcrap, that only incriminates your church more because you're showing just how instrumental the church was to be the smallest population wise yet the largest money wise and man hour wise) are starting to be upset is it no longer a moral issue.
And now into pure fratching territory, and what I pointed out to her, was that I thought it entirely appropriate that this issue be protested in front of Temple Square, after all, the United Methodist Church that my parents were married in (they lived in Los Angeles at the time) was one of the churches that was performing same sex marriage ceremonies... your church just assisted in denying my church the right to perform a religious ceremony... it seems only right then that, as it is now truly a religious issue as well as political, and by your own words, moral issue, for the churches to be protested along with everyone else.
(a for the record update, The United Methodist Church is only accepting of homosexuality at a local level, do NOT go into one expected them to be accepting unless you have already confirmed the local denomination is accepting. On a national level they will support a few token 'privileges', like the privilege not to get fired or evicted, but they do NOT support full equality)
Her response, which made this truly Cursing out Coworkers worthy (and I may yet find a way to cut out the fratching material to make this CS friendly... probably not though), her retort "well, you of all people (keeping in mind, she doesn't know that I left the church because I'm gay, that's something I don't bring up at work, because it has nothing to do with my job, she only knows I left the church because she saw me drafting my resignation letter) who converted and left... it's quite natural for a convert to as soon as there is a conflict between his new church and the church his family is a member of to jump ship and take the easy way out rather than the right way out... if you were a lifelong member you'd understand"
I'd like to point out... I have never started the conversation at work... she's always been the one to start with her complaints with me trying to do my best to stay out of her way (with the exception of yesterday when I gave her an actual retort).
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