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  • Following religions/cultures without research (nitpicking on Norse mythology)

    I was kind of in doubt as to where to put this, as it's equal amounts of Religion, Culture, people being lazy/idiotic and probably a good dose of me being nitpicky and quite possibly lecturing, all in one. So I'm throwing it in here, as it's something I hate very very much.

    I'd probably have to start off by saying that I'm not hating on someone for wanting to follow a religion. Far from it. Just because I'm an atheist by choice, doesn't mean that I believe that everyone following a religion are all wrong.

    The problem I have is with people deciding to follow a culture or religion, but getting it all wrong. It's a very general peeve, but for me in particular, it's when people decide they want to get on the Norse Mythology bandwagon, which for some reason seems to be very popular with a lot of New Agers, from what I've seen.

    No, I'm not getting pissed because someone is taking something I'm proud of from my country's ancient past, I personally think that's awesome. I love the Norse mythos, and getting more people to share that same thoughts would be great. What I get really pissed off about is when people decide they want to follow it, but don't bother doing any research.

    I read up on the stuff in my free time, and as such, I've run across many different kinds of mistakes, some more unforgiving than others to commit, but there are a few that really struck me, mainly because any kind of research would have given the correct answers, but also because the same mistake showed up several times.

    For instance:

    1. No, Frigg is not the same goddess as Freya. Yes, I know Frigg isn't as well known, and that there are speculations that Freya's husband, Od, might really have been Odin, but really, they're goddesses for two different things.

    2. Don't claim that you're a "true believer" in the Norse Mythology, and then start talking about Heaven and Hell in the classical Biblical associations. In Norse mythology, if you died, there where two choices: You could die on the battlefield and be brought to Valhalla by the Valkyries, where you'd eat, drink and fight until Ragnarok, or you could die in any other way, and go straight to Hel. Yes, that's Hel, with one L. No, that doesn't mean fire and brimstone, that means searing cold and darkness.

    Speaking of the Valkyries:

    3. Alright, so you want to claim to be a Valkyrie. Fair enough. Just keep in mind that Valkyries were strong warrior women, used to seeing battlefields, not dainty, tiny, overly feminine princesses that needed men to get them out of any, tiny bit of trouble.

    A bit further in the afterlife note:

    4. See the whole "battling until Ragnarok" thing? That means no reincarnation. As much as a lot of women would probably love to be the reincarnation of Freya, sorry, that's just not something the old Norse believed in. If you died, you were dead until Ragnarok.

    5. Loki is awesome, yes, I know. I have a thing for trickster gods myself, and I can fully understand why some people love the idea of that guy, too. But you can't just make him god of whatever you want. No, he's not the god of love, no matter how much you want him to be. He's not a god of families, either, even though he had plenty of children himself. Trickery, chaos and sometimes fire, depending on what translation you read, sure. But Loki was a bastard in the Norse myths, and that's part of what makes him great.

    Claim to be a "true believer" (and I can't stress how much the whole "true believer" thing bothers me, for any religion or culture) all you want, but get it right.

    There are plenty more, but those were the ones that I happened across the most.(Wow, this turned into quite a rant )

    Anyone else have experiences of people following something but not bothering with the research?

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    There's no such thing as a false believer. All religions change radically over time or die out.
    Just look at the mythology changes for Herakles to Hercules the tv show.

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    • #3
      How about any teenaged Wiccan who thinks their religion dates back to the Salem witch trials and further? The Wiccan religion as such only dates back to the 50s. Nothing wrong with that, but thinking its adherents were persecuted to the point of being burned at the stake tends to feed "special snowflake syndrome."
      Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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      • #4
        Just like how many christians whine about being persecuted in the U.S.
        No one has a monopoly on persecution complexes.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Flyndaran View Post
          There's no such thing as a false believer. All religions change radically over time or die out.
          Just look at the mythology changes for Herakles to Hercules the tv show.
          That's my point about the "true believer" thing.

          Although the Hercules TV show was more about the writers not doing all the research - a lot of it, yes, but they still missed things. I personally don't think you can compare the myths with the TV show, since the latter is based on the former, and not a different take on it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Flyndaran View Post
            Just like how many christians whine about being persecuted in the U.S.
            No one has a monopoly on persecution complexes.
            No, but usually, people are Christian first, and then get a persecution complex later. These "Wiccan'ts" feel persecuted, then go out and pick a religion that they think has a history of being persecuted-but would also freak out their parents-to justify it. They do no research, just "OMG WITCHES!"
            Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mistress Of Foxes View Post
              That's my point about the "true believer" thing.

              Although the Hercules TV show was more about the writers not doing all the research - a lot of it, yes, but they still missed things. I personally don't think you can compare the myths with the TV show, since the latter is based on the former, and not a different take on it.
              The only things they had in common were the names and supposedly being in ancient greece.
              In the TV show Hercules wasn't a violent sociopath. That's a pretty major deviation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BroomJockey View Post
                No, but usually, people are Christian first, and then get a persecution complex later. These "Wiccan'ts" feel persecuted, then go out and pick a religion that they think has a history of being persecuted-but would also freak out their parents-to justify it. They do no research, just "OMG WITCHES!"
                That seems a bit harsh.
                Many accept pagan religions when they are teens... and nearly every well off teen feels persecuted.
                I'm not allowed to make fun of the big desert three religions, so minority religions shouldn't get slammed by you either.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BroomJockey View Post
                  How about any teenaged Wiccan who thinks their religion dates back to the Salem witch trials and further? The Wiccan religion as such only dates back to the 50s. Nothing wrong with that, but thinking its adherents were persecuted to the point of being burned at the stake tends to feed "special snowflake syndrome."
                  My favorite line

                  "Nowdays every girl with a henna tattoo and a spice rack thinks she's a sister to the dark ones."

                  My main beef is when people tell me what my belief should be, things like "no that's not right, it should be this" don't tell me how to do stuff, I've spent many years doing it, it works for me.
                  I am a sexy shoeless god of war!
                  Minus the sexy and I'm wearing shoes.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nyoibo View Post
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                    My main beef is when people tell me what my belief should be, things like "no that's not right, it should be this" don't tell me how to do stuff, I've spent many years doing it, it works for me.
                    Yep. Every religion is equally right and equally silly... except for scientology. That shit's just nuts.
                    I kid.... I'm an atheist. It's all silly to me....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Flyndaran View Post
                      The only things they had in common were the names and supposedly being in ancient greece.
                      In the TV show Hercules wasn't a violent sociopath. That's a pretty major deviation.
                      But the TV show is still not a different version of the myths. It's a case of the writers not going their research, a.k.a. the point of my rant. I'm not saying they're the same, I'm saying that you can't compare the two, because the TV show wasn't written by someone else from the same era as the original myths, but by someone who thought it would be awesome to have a TV show about Hercules (which, if I remember right, was the Roman translation of his name, or something like that), but did not bother to do the proper research about it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Flyndaran View Post
                        That seems a bit harsh.
                        Many accept pagan religions when they are teens... and nearly every well off teen feels persecuted.
                        No, I think he has a point. Picking a religion just because it's something that will freak out your parents, or something that's "cool" is not a good reason to pick a religion. Unfortunately, it's what many of those "Wiccans" do.

                        Originally posted by Flyndaran View Post
                        I'm not allowed to make fun of the big desert three religions, so minority religions shouldn't get slammed by you either.
                        Er, what? What keeps you from making fun of Islam, Christianity and Judaism?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Flyndaran View Post
                          I'm not allowed to make fun of the big desert three religions, so minority religions shouldn't get slammed by you either.
                          Err. I don't see where I did slam Wicca. I slammed whiny teens who pick Wicca without learning anything about it beyond "OMG WITCHES!!!" I think slamming whiny teens who bandwagon has always been, and will always be acceptable.
                          Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BroomJockey View Post
                            I think slamming whiny teens who bandwagon has always been, and will always be acceptable.
                            And it's such an easy target, too

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mistress Of Foxes View Post
                              ...
                              Er, what? What keeps you from making fun of Islam, Christianity and Judaism?
                              This board is rather heavily moderated. I don't want to get banned again for a mistype.

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