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    I found a job that would have been good for me to apply for, except for one little clause that pisses me off to no end.

    "If you have ever been terminated from a previous position, do NOT apply."

    Yup, even if I was the most qualified applicant (which I'll be honest, I probably wouldn't have been) they would still turn me away because I was at one time *gasp* fired. OK, I get it that you don't want the deadbeats who continually screw up, and I was fired with cause so I guess that might be a little bit of a valid argument, but this is a right to work state. Translation, it is legal to fire someone without cause. They could be turning away people who were fired just because the boss was having a bad day and decided he wanted to randomly cut his staff... worse, even with cause, being gay is legal cause for termination in this state, this company by proxy could be guilty of discriminating (legally I might add, but that's a different thread) against gays and lesbians by refusing to hire them because that's why they were fired.
    So considering that it's a right to work state it would have bothered me a little less if they had at least said "if you have ever been terminated, with cause,...", but that still doesn't get back to the broader issue that people change. In my case I was fired because I was an idiot and sent a vulgar email to the IT manager complaining about the equipment at my workstation (which in fairness, was pretty bad equipment, but I recognize that I wasn't fired for complaining about bad equipment, but for being extremely unprofessional in doing so). Does that then automatically make me unqualified for another job, even though that lesson has been learned? Apparently so... call me bitter, but I hope they get some unqualified dumbass straight out of high school who has never had a job before to never have been fired and ends up washing out after the third week, serves them right for basing such a large portion of their hiring policy on something that in the long run can be quite trivial.
    "I'm Gar and I'm proud" -slytovhand

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    Wait, how is the second company discriminating gays/lesbians by saying "if you've been fired, don't apply", when it was a completely separate company that fired them for being gay/lesbian? Only the original company that did the firing should be held accountable.

    But, is the whole thing bullshit? Yeah. I would be ineligible as well.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by daleduke17 View Post
      Wait, how is the second company discriminating gays/lesbians by saying "if you've been fired, don't apply", when it was a completely separate company that fired them for being gay/lesbian?
      Because the statement is a blanket statement. The company is saying "We don't give a damn as to WHY you were fired, so long as you were."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lordlundar View Post
        Because the statement is a blanket statement. The company is saying "We don't give a damn as to WHY you were fired, so long as you were."
        Ok, still not understanding how the company is discriminating.

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        • #5
          if you were fired by company a for being gay, and company b refuses to even entertain the notion of hiring you because you were fired by company a for being gay, they in effect become party to the original discrimination perpetrated by company a.

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          • #6
            Well I'm out too, as I was fired from my last job.

            Easy answer to this one: lie.

            I'm not too keen on lying for personal gain, but what choice do you really have? Frankly it seems like the expectations of hiring managers in general are so unrealistic that they are just begging to be lied to. They want to live in a fantasy world fine, except you've got to eat. So you have to play by their rules. Just make sure you don't get caught.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by linguist View Post
              if you were fired by company a for being gay, and company b refuses to even entertain the notion of hiring you because you were fired by company a for being gay, they in effect become party to the original discrimination perpetrated by company a.
              exactly... and in the state of Utah it is perfectly legal (well, soon it won't be in Salt Lake City proper soon enough). The likelihood of that scenario playing out are extremely slim, but it still proves the point on just how disastrous that policy could be.
              "I'm Gar and I'm proud" -slytovhand

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              • #8
                Um, people are getting terminated in droves. We're in a recession and layoffs are so rampant it's actually affected the traffic flow in Savannah.

                I should hope they mean "fired" and not "laid off." But even if they are, that's very screwed up.

                I got fired once because a kid who was the object of my boss's crush happened to have a crush on me. (I know, As The Stomach Turns, right?)

                Then I got let go from a lab because the lab was 2 million bucks in the hole and half the crew was getting let go.

                Then I got let go from my last job because they laid off something like twelve hundred people and I happened to be one of them. It wasn't personal.

                Feh. You don't want to work for a company that judgemental and short sighted.

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                • #9
                  I've applied for dozens of jobs since last summer, and I have honestly never seen that clause on an application. I have seen ones where they ask the specific reason why I left each job, but I've never seen this one.

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                  • #10
                    I'm wondering if it's even legal? I mean, technically, say a person used to work at Company A and was let go from there, so they applied at Company B. Company B calls Company A for a reference. Isn't Company A only supposed to tell Company B whether you worked for them and if you're re-hire-able? I know reference checks don't usually go that way, but LEGALLY Company B isn't supposed to discriminate again an applicant because they were let go...I think?

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                    • #11
                      I don't think they're supposed to. I'd take it up with the Labor Department. They'd have the answer. I've never seen that clause before.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MaggieTheCat View Post
                        I know reference checks don't usually go that way, but LEGALLY Company B isn't supposed to discriminate again an applicant because they were let go...I think?
                        When you say "let go" do you mean laid off or terminated for cause?

                        Because it's perfectly legal for a company to refuse to hire someone if they call their previous employer and discover that they were canned for dishonesty/laziness/incompetence/body odor or what have you. And well it should be.

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                        • #13
                          I know, my last job was all like "Ah, look, we feel awful about this, yoiu've been a great employee and we don't wanna do this. Please call us if you need a reference or need some help, we'll give you some great references."

                          Not even bothering to check with your old employer is incredibly short sighted.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Boozy View Post
                            Because it's perfectly legal for a company to refuse to hire someone if they call their previous employer
                            Actually, that's not quite true as I understand it. Several states have laws prohibiting previous employers from disclosing details of employees' term of employment. Stems from the fact that former employees have sued ex-employers for giving bad references and keeping them from finding a new job.

                            Yeah, crazy.
                            Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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                            • #15
                              yeah, Broom is right, the only things that an employer may disclose in Utah is Date of Hire, length of employment, whether it was a voluntary quit, involuntary termination, or layoff/end of contract... they may also if asked specify if the employee is eligible for rehire. They however are NOT allowed to say WHY the employee was terminated if they were terminated.
                              "I'm Gar and I'm proud" -slytovhand

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