That Cougar is still seen as a cute pet name, for female predators.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Not a big fan of the double standard here.

Forty year old woman flashes boob at a bunch of underage HS boys? That's not a cougar. That's a flasher.

Same thing as a dirty old man in a trenchcoat waving his weiner at a bunch of cheerleaders.

I don't see a difference. Just because the boys would like it does not make the act any less criminal. They cannot consent to viewing that, they are underage.

[Flyndaran]

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I don't see a difference. Just because the boys would like it does not make the act any less criminal. They cannot consent to viewing that, they are underage.

That is the whole freaking idea behind consent. No one needs rules for forcible anything.
Though in some states, like Washington, the age is lower. There, it's 16 last I heard.
Personally, I would like consent laws to be based more on individual maturity than some overly strict age, but that's in a perfect world.

[Greenday]

Hm, it seems that some people are still equating cougars with pedophiles and that's just two completely different things. Also, Courtney Cox's TV show character is made up. Basing your thoughts on reality off of her character is a horrible stretch.

[violetyoshi]

Hm, it seems that some people are still equating cougars with pedophiles and that's just two completely different things. Also, Courtney Cox's TV show character is made up. Basing your thoughts on reality off of her character is a horrible stretch.

I agree, I just hope there aren't women out there pathetic enough to see her character as something to aspire to. I know hoping for that though, is completely futile.

[Mr Slugger]

Hm, it seems that some people are still equating cougars with pedophiles and that's just two completely different things. Also, Courtney Cox's TV show character is made up. Basing your thoughts on reality off of her character is a horrible stretch.

Yup. I mean on the guy side you see it all the time in our store, and it's not being a pedophile. A 16-18 year old girl is jail bait. Sure people will look if a hot looking girl in that age group comes in, they may comment, but they wouldn't touch because it's jail bait. The barely legal and above crowd, yeah they might go after. So I don't have a problem with women doing the same. I don't think it's being a pedophile if you're looking at a "fully matured body". A pedophile is touching that body on a minor or being interested in the way younger.

And as far as the show. I mean if your using a show that writes stuff for laughs (whether they are or not) to prove point in reality, then I should just come out and say I think it's horrible that single mothers in upscale communities are horrible because they're selling drugs everywhere. Like at their kids soccer games, colleges, they're selling it to the selectmen of the town they're living in, running drug houses in their communities, etc. (cookie if you know what show I'm talking about) It's not real though. I mean sure maybe there's some single mothers in upscale communities selling drugs, but I doubt they're doing all the stuff that they do on the show. It's a show!

Forty year old woman flashes boob at a bunch of underage HS boys? That's not a cougar. That's a flasher.
Same thing as a dirty old man in a trenchcoat waving his weiner at a bunch of cheerleaders.
I don't see a difference. Just because the boys would like it does not make the act any less criminal. They cannot consent to viewing that, they are underage.

If only real difference is that a girl will probably run away from the sight of a guy waving his weiner and call the cops.
The boys would want to see more and would tell their friends.
Would it make it any less of a criminal act? No. But we're talking about a show. Again I highly doubt every cougar is out there in front of a high school waiting for the bell to ring so they can flash the crowd.

[daleduke17]

They have this show called Cougartown, now would we accept a show that is a fantasy of grown men wanting to rape little girls? No, but if it's a beautiful woman raping teenage boys, aww isn't that adorable?

If you don't like the show, here's a very novel concept:

DON'T WATCH IT!

[Boozy]

Um, she's not calling for the show to get pulled off the air. She's upset about the double-standard it represents. In other words: It's not the show that upsetting, it's the cultural framework that makes it possible.

[IDrinkaRum]

Look at it this way: Demi Moore is a hot Cougar and is praiseworthy because she was able to date and capture into marriage Ashton Kutcher is like what? Almost 20 years younger than her?

Now look at men like Billy Joel, Bruce Willis, Michael Douglas - they have women who are more than 20 years younger than them, and they're either "dirty old men" or trying to stay young by having younger women as wives/girlfriends. (Though Billy Joel, after divorcing his 15-20 year younger wife is now seeing a woman closer to his age as he's "finally" figured out women closer to his age more mature and less apt to run off with a man closer to their own age like his current ex-wife did).

And there are people who watch TV and thing "Hey! I can do that!" to whatever they are watching.

And I'm pretty sure there have been older women, "cougars" if you will, who have gone after their son's/daughter's friends even before "Cougartown" was aired.

[Greenday]

Now that I think about it, their is an opposite of the Cougar show. It's called The Girls Next Door. Something about this REALLY old guy named Hugh Hefner who runs a porno magazine and gets tons of barely legal women. That'd be crazy if this was based on real life...

[DesignFox]

Now that I think about it, their is an opposite of the Cougar show. It's called The Girls Next Door. Something about this REALLY old guy named Hugh Hefner who runs a porno magazine and gets tons of barely legal women. That'd be crazy if this was based on real life...

Yea, I happen to think he is completely disgusting and feel like I need to take a shower everytime I see his face.

To each their own. Those girls wanna sell out like that, fine. They are legal adults they can do what they want.

Same with older women going for younger guys. I think those women are creepy, but as long as what they are doing is legal, it's none of my business.

There is a definite double standard in society regarding women flashing men...I mean, flashing is flashing. You're showing off bits of your body the law says it's innapproriate for you to be showing. *shrug* I think guys just don't complain when presented with a pair of boobs- I'm sure they *could* complain if they wanted to...they might get made fun of...you know, double standard and all...but I'm guessing they *could* get a woman in trouble for that...

I think it would be more of an issue if a woman was fully naked...vagina hanging out naked. I mean, the men who are flashers generally aren't getting in trouble for flashing their naked chest if you know what I mean...

[Greenday]

There is a definite double standard in society regarding women flashing men...I mean, flashing is flashing.

I still think it's because the male naked bits are not a pleasant sight to behold while boobs...are a lot easier on the eyes.

[Flyndaran]

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I think it would be more of an issue if a woman was fully naked...vagina hanging out naked. I mean, the men who are flashers generally aren't getting in trouble for flashing their naked chest if you know what I mean...

Ewwww... if you see a vagina HANGING anywhere, I sure as hell don't want to see it.
Seriously, I don't have a problem with nakedness at all, except in a don't sit anywhere near me you stinky person way.
So I don't see it as women getting it better than they should, but a men getting it worse way.
As to men somehow being uglier than women, that sounds like a cultural or hetero men being loud thing than reality.
My girlfriend loves seeing my parts, aroused or not.

[BlaqueKatt]

ok had to respond to this-as I have been called a "cougar" or "cradle robbber" before - and I am most certainly NOT a predator.

Why-well because my husband was 18 when we met and became friends(because we did have a lot in common), I was 27-we started dating when he was 19-we've been together for 6 years-I supported him through college.

Why was he attracted to me-well I asked him why he asked me out instead of someone his own age-this was the response I got:

"girls my age are materialistic, petty, selfish and insecure-you are none of those."

his sisters(2 years younger) and their friends were his main female contacts(he was homeschooled)-he watched his sisters date guys because of the cars they drove, watch them fly into a rage when their boyfriends so much as glanced at another girl("OMG- you looked at another girl, you want to f**k her, you think she's prettier than me!!eleventy"), he watched his sisters talk about how ugly their boyfriends ex girlfriends were, and he watched his sisters whine about how faaaaat they were(at 5'8" and 115#), and OMG I can't fit into a size zero-I have to wear a size 1. And from what I see, most teenage girls do fit his assessment-heck quite a few college girls fit his assessment(we have girls at the UW going for their MRS. Degree as we have a law school and med school-my sister(cabdriver) actually has overheard college girls talking about how they want to be a "trophy wife" so they have tons of money to spend on clothes and getting their hair done every week without having to work. Yay shallowness-that's attractive

Confidence is attractive-most younger women/girls do not have it-sorry.
And most younger girls do not have the relationship experience or the patience it can take to deal with a younger male-yes my husband does some hairbrained stuff-stuff I used to dump guys for in my teens/20's-I learned from that, take a deep breath and remember that I love him AND his flaws, and not just when things are going well-that takes patience, which is a learned/acquired skill-and it takes time, and being able to understand what makes people tick-a 20 year-old girl is not going to have that.


So because I didn't care that we took the bus to go catch a movie, didn't accuse him of cheating on me every 5 minutes, enjoyed being in his company no matter if I enjoyed what we were doing or not, and was confident in myself-he chose me.

Does that make me a "predator"-I did not pursue him, I just befriended the quiet kid at work that sat alone, because I used to be that kid and I know how it felt-no one else even talked to him.

[violetyoshi]

What I'm saying is insecure people, who are so desperate for attention they need to flash the neighborhood kid theoretically, shouldn' t be encouraged.

This is like, when a popular girl graduates high school, then doesn't know what to do because their whole self-worth was wrapped up in their being popular. These women seem to be so wrapped up in being found sexually appealing, they'll throw themselves at men just so they can be told they're sexy.

I agree with people who say Girls Next Door is similar to Cougartown. I just don't understand why it's so important to people to be considered sexy above everything else. It sounds like people, who really have not been able to view themselves in any other aspect, than as a object for men.

I think perhaps if looked from that perspective, that Courtney Cox represents women in our society that haven't been able to find self-worth outside of being objectified, people might realize how sad it is. That when they measure women only based on how they look, or what body they have, they're just seeing that there will be more desperate older women in the future, needing to confirm they're still hot by going after young men. Do people really want their sons being hit on by 50-something women?

[daleduke17]

Like I've said, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

How does this affect you in any way, other than guys aren't telling you you're sexy?

Maybe the guys and ladies have problems. Then it would be perfectly okay to let them do it, because they have a problem, right?