Why is gay marriage so "wrong"?

[gremcint]

I've read over fifty pages of the threads that BroomJockey linked.

I'm gonna go ahead and save some people time, basically the individual was unable to back her arguements again and again, she would backpedal, tapdance around and outright ignore what people were asking. She seems to be unwilling to actually back up what she was saying with any proof but she would keep claiming there was proof. At times she compared gay marriage to beastiality and marying cars, she kept saying that denying gay marriage wasn't denying right despite evidence right in her face. Basically her entire arguement boiled down to I'm right because I am and that's the way it is.


There is only one arguement I've ever heard against gay marriage but it's only a point if polygamy was ever legal. Criminal organizations could all marry each other for the various benefits and legal protections but honestly that is the biggest stretach I've ever heard.

[Boozy]

Sometimes I like porn with lesbians in it!

I found the simplicity and enthusiasm expressed in this statement very cute.

And I never thought I'd say that about a statement involving someone's porno preferences.

[Greenday]

I personally find the Adam and Steve argument hilarious. I don't agree with it, but I think it's pretty darn clever.

The main argument I always here is that it will make marriage immoral...Seriously? Cause a good portion of marriages are so moral these days...

[guywithashovel]

One of the most common arguments I hear is that they see marriage as a sacred institution and somehow think that gays getting married will sully that sacredness.

That's still a very egregious argument. If two gay men or two lesbians tie the knot, it will not affect their marriages in the slightest. Besides, most of these socially conservative "family values" advocates have more than their fair share of problems in their families. Many of them have been divorced at least twice. Many of them either had a child out of wedlock or have kids themselves who had kids out of wedlock. Many of them have had extramarital affairs.

Before you start throwing stones, you should probably look around and make sure you're not in a glass house.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Sadly, it actually is very clever. It rhymes. It's simple. It's easy to say. It's short. It conveys their entire position in something so short that it barely even qualifies as a whole soundbite.

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So does We're here, we're queer, get over it.

Oh, yeah, I know that it was various Christian denominations that started the whole thing. But mine wasn't one of them. And if it was, it wouldn't be now.

I am not going to be associated with people who back discrimination.

My denomination put out a PR thing when all this started. "The Episcopal Church: Welcoming ALL God's Children" I have the bumper sticker on the back of my van. We even had a TV ad, which got pulled by various stations when they started getting pressured. It didn't even have anything blatantly pro gay. But everyone "got it." Evidently, to some folks, preaching peace and love is cool, but it's not okay to actually, you know, PRACTICE it.

I've quoted my priest before, but it bears repeatingt: It's much easier to worship Christ as a god than it is to actually follow his teachings.

And yeah, I know the Steve thing is not in the Bible, I was being sarcastic.

[HYHYBT]

I just thought of something, and if it's been mentioned before, well, I've never seen it. Probably stupid anyway. But here goes...

If you really and truly are against "homosexuality," you should encourage gays, etc to be completely open about who and what they are, and to pair off with each other. Why? Because closeted gays are more likely to enter heterosexual relationships, including a straight marriage. Which not only is bad for both members of the couple, but also passes on the genetic component, if any, of sexual orientation to the next generation. In other words, if you want fewer gays in the future, the last thing you should do is force those of us in the present to act straight.

Or you could be nice to people because, you know, it's the right thing to do or something. Either way.

(RK: I *so* much would like to be Episcopalian. I've visited at my brother's church many times and it just seemed so RIGHT, even before finding out about their relative acceptance. But there simply aren't any here, and if I have to drive into the city for church I'll probably get lazy about it and stop again. So for now it's the Methodists, and so long as they don't make an issue of it, I won't either.)

[RecoveringKinkoid]

It was the same with me. One of my best friends is very, very devout, and when I visit her, she likes me to go to church with her. I felt like her church (which is an Episcopal church) really spoke to me.

When I set about finding one for myself here in town, the one I chose felt so right I knew that was the place. You know what it was?

How they treated each other. It was the most diverse church body I had ever seen. And they were a family.

The black church elder doing the readings. The native american assisting with the altar. The openly gay, biracial couple sitting among a cluster of old white southern ladies. The teenager reading the announcements. The incredible respect they all had for one another and the complete lack of regard for color, sexual orientation, age, gender, whatever.

I grew up in a Baptist church. It just wasn't for me and I'll leave it at that. I saw a level of respect and inclusiveness I'd never seen in this denomination and in this particular church and I said to my husband "We could stay here."

It really bugs me that churches, which should be sanctuaries of untity and acceptance and inclusiveness are so often the most segregated, most exclusive, most judgmental places. Want to see some voluntary segregation in action, go into a church on Sunday. And one only has to read Smiley's posts of late to see how homosexuals are treated in far too many churches. It really is terrible.

Maybe my position of acceptance is wrong, as I've been told. I am pretty sure it isn't, but hey, I've been known to be wrong before. But I sincerely doubt that "refusing to hate my brothers and sisters for being who they are" is a real bad sin.

[Fryk]

If I may correct you all, I believe you'll find the "Adam and Steve" passage in the Acts of the Douchebags, chapter 3, verse 4.

[Cat]

In reference to "Adam and Steve," I'd love to know if there is a married gay couple now named "Adam and Steve," that's be great

[Boozy]

"Adam and Steve" is nonsense. No gay man would go by "Steve". It would be "Adam and Steven".

[Nyoibo]

Boozy is correct.

[Fryk]

Waitaminute-- wasn't there a christian in the book of Acts named Steven? Hmmmmm...

[RecoveringKinkoid]

You know, you laugh, but personally, I wish they could prove one of the disciples was gay. Seriously, it would thrill me.

I mean, 13 guys hanging out, what are the odds, right?

The only problem with this scenario would be that I would never be able to stop laughing.

[Fryk]

You know what? My money is on Matthias. Remember him? He was the replacement apostle for Judas. It is mentioned that he was always hanging around, but was never mentioned before Acts. And never mentioned afterward in the Bible. He was just sorta swept under the rug, like many christians wish could be done about homosexuals today.

[The Shadow]

Sometimes for people who think same-sex marriage is wrong, it's not so much their narrow mindedness and illogical arguments that bother me, but their insincerity. For example they'll often say "But gays and lesbians already have marriage equality and they always have. A gay man can marry a woman and a lesbian can marry a man. So ya see? Gays and lesbians already have the same marriage rights as heterosexuals!"

It's so maddeningly frustrating when they pull this trick because I think a lot of them genuinely believe it.