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  • #16
    I haven't read the books or seen the movie. I had no desire. Until this point, the only things I heard were all gushy.

    Interesting.

    If what you all are saying is accurate, there is a bit of a problem. Lot's of young girls are infatuated with this series. I've seen stuff all over the internet...the biggest one that comes to mind is a lettering set for the bedroom that reads, "I'm just Bella waiting for my Edward."

    If the character is that abusive, it makes me sad to think what it's teaching these kids...both girls AND boys.

    I refuse to buy the books. I might have to borrow from a friend just to find out for myself.
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    • #17
      I'm in college and I still hear girls saying that guys need to be more like Edward Cullen. So we need to be fairies? Cause Edward Cullen is not a vampire. He sparkles and he flies. He's a fairy, not a vampire.
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      • #18
        I tend to "correct" people who say that the books are well written. They aren't. They're aweful, I bought the first one a long while back thinking that it was going to be a decent read, I was so wrong, I couldn't even get past the first 3 chapters. It reads like bad fanfic.

        Haven't seen either of the movies either.

        And now that I've heard about the abusive connotations in the books it makes me want to read them even less. If that's even possible.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by muses_nightmare View Post
          It reads like bad fanfic.
          Exactly and because of the internet things that would never make it to print are suddenly finding print because teens don't care about how well something is written anymore.
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          • #20
            It pretty much is bad fanfic; it's even got a self insert. -.-

            There's also the fact that Edward can NOT be a vegetarian, cuz any kind of blood be it animal or human is a MEAT PRODUCT.
            "Oh wow, I can't believe how stupid I used to be and you still are."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Lace Neil Singer View Post
              There's also the fact that Edward can NOT be a vegetarian, cuz any kind of blood be it animal or human is a MEAT PRODUCT.
              Wouldn't that be vegans who cannot eat meat byproducts, not vegetarians?

              Just asked two of my girl friends what they thought of Twilight.

              "Ugh."
              "I don't read smut."

              At least my friends are sane.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Greenday View Post
                Wouldn't that be vegans who cannot eat meat byproducts, not vegetarians?
                I think (ethical, anyways) vegetarians by-and-large can eat animal by-products, like milk and honey, because it's produced naturally, and doesn't do any harm to the animal. Syphoning the blood from a creature doesn't exactly jive with the "naturally produced" nature of milk and honey.

                But here's the thing. There's not really a strict definition of vegetarian. There's specific terms for ones who eat fish, or chicken, or eggs, but no one ever uses them, so vegetarian tends to be slapped on as a label any time someone doesn't eat mammals.
                Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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                • #23
                  You think it's bad... I have two things to not look foreward to, Forks being down the way from the only way to it from Eastern WA for now.... and the fact that a GOOD vamp/wolf/supernatural in our normal world book will probably just get called a twilight rip off... yeah Patricia Briggs and other writers in the urban fantasy niche get tainted by the overly long fanfic that is Twilight... at least My Immortal was probably one of the best troll fics ever.

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                  • #24
                    Patricia Briggs rocks!!!

                    GRRRRR Vampire Diaries is not NOT inspired by Twilight.

                    LJ SMith was writing books well before Stephanie Meyers got a bug up her butt.

                    I had a roommate accuse LJ Smith (creator and writer of Vampire Diaries the triloogy) of being inspired by Twilight.

                    She is no longer my roommate (no not for that reason)
                    Last edited by jackfaire; 11-18-2009, 09:55 PM.
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                    • #25
                      He's 17. He can likes whatever he wants to like. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that everyone else in the world has to hate it. Why should he avoid seeing a film that he wants to see because someone might see him? That's unfair and ridiculous. Y'know what? I went to see The Mummy 3 in the theatres by myself. It was a horrible movie, but I had a damned good time, and that's all that matters.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
                        It was a horrible movie, but I had a damned good time, and that's all that matters.
                        Ah yes but what if the movie had shown an abnormal and creepy behavior that we adults look at and would judge as bad as a behavior that is good and healthy.
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                        • #27
                          Yeah, he's not just seeing a bad teen movie. He's obsessing over a bad teen movie in which the main characters think that suicide is a perfectly acceptable route to take should they lose their 'true love'. Edward openly admits that he was planning to kill himself if Bella had died in the first story, and tells her that if something were to happen, he'd try his best to end his life. When in dangerous situations, Bella can hear Edward's voice in her head, and because he has left her (and broken into her room to steal the pictures she had of him and his family to 'erase' their relationship), she purposely puts herself in harm's way to her his voice. She crashes her motorcycle at least twice and also jumps from a cliff, but always reiterates later that 'It's worth it to have her velvet-voiced hallucination'.

                          And as I stated earlier, my nephew is already of the mind that it's both acceptable and romantic to climb into a girl's bedroom at night to watch her sleep, without her consent. The fact that people at such an impressionable age obsess over this series so much is what concerns me. We have enough teens suffering from depression over romance, breakups, and the like without some deluded author publishing her wet dreams and selling it to them.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by jackfaire View Post
                            Patricia Briggs rocks!!!

                            GRRRRR Vampire Diaries is not NOT inspired by Twilight.

                            LJ SMith was writing books well before Stephanie Meyers got a bug up her butt.

                            I had a roommate accuse LJ Smith (creator and writer of Vampire Diaries the triloogy) of being inspired by Twilight.

                            She is no longer my roommate (no not for that reason)
                            Heh LJ Smith must have had the same time machine Terry Pratchett to steal Hogwarts some 20 odd years before it was written about, at least in that case the crap died down.

                            Starting to really hope a Mercy Thompson movie actually comes out to give a strong female lead in a supernatural romance thriller .

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Lace Neil Singer View Post
                              Finally, it's pretty obvious that Bella is a self insert of Stephanie Meyer, placed in the story solely so that the author can live her fantasies about getting off with a vampire boy.
                              This is SO true! Thats what makes me truely hate the books, I feel like im reading her fantasy land diary.

                              Dear diary, today at school a boy who is a TOTAL bad boy had to sit next to me and OMG diary it was sooooo awesome he smelled so good. I wish he was a vampire so he could bite me mmmmm. His name was Eddy, thats SUCH a good name. I sat there and smelled him for the whole class and then omg I dropped my pencil. How clumsy am I! I dreamed that he just couldn't stop paying attention to me, and that he called me beautiful. Eddy and Beautiful isn't that like a match made in heaven, lol oh well I mean hell cos he would be a vampire hehehehe

                              the whole series is like that, a childish fantasy where she is the centre of the universer. YUCK
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bunnyboy View Post
                                Starting to really hope a Mercy Thompson movie actually comes out to give a strong female lead in a supernatural romance thriller .
                                That would be awesome. Said roommate was way to impressed by fame. I was supposed to be wowed about a story of Lou Ferrigno being a fan of one of her favorite authors. She was offended that I didn't care.
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