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    "Why do you not allow gay men the right to donate blood?

    Canadian Blood Services’ policy indefinitely defers any man who has sex with another man, even once, since 1977. The policy in question does not apply specifically to gay men. This is one of numerous screening procedures which allow us to identify a variety of behaviours and activities known to increase risk to the safety of the blood supply.
    The basic premise for our policy pertaining to men who have had sex with men is that the prevalence and incidence of HIV is much higher in males who have had sex with other males than it is in individuals having exclusively heterosexual sex. Statistics released by the Public Health Agency of Canada in 2005 indicate that men who have sex with men represented 58 per cent of the HIV/AIDS cases in Canada. This number is up from 2002, when they represented 40 per cent; and in 1996, when they represented 30 per cent of new cases of HIV/AIDS in Canada.

    While we do test all units of blood and testing is sophisticated, there still exists a brief period after the onset of a viral infection during which early signs of a virus cannot be detected. This period of time is known as the "window period". However, the system is as safe as current testing and technology allows, combined with Canadian Blood Services' stringent screening processes (e.g., donor questionnaire, deferral policies).

    We continually review our policies and procedures in the face of changing science and technology and as such we are conducting a risk assessment of this issue. Any change in donor criteria would have to be considered safe from a scientific perspective and be approved by our regulator, Health Canada." http://www.bloodservices.ca/CentreAp...enDocument#HT3

    Seriously, complete bullshit, and I believe it's similar in the US

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    58%?! My god, it's an epidemic!!!!111!!

    Yes, complete bullshit. Let's ban the other 42% of cases, too, shall we?

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    • #3
      I thought I'd read that Canada had lifted its ban recently. Anyway...

      The "even once since 1977" thing sort of made sense when it was first put in place: AIDS wasn't well understood, and the date was what, 8 years or so in the past? But as it is now, it's pointless. I don't know what the "window period" is, precisely, but surely it's not 33 years! If the sole purpose were to prevent the spread of disease AND whoever sets the rules bothered to think them through logically, it would be something like the, I think, one year that it is for tattoos. I understand the fear, and I understand that, at least for the strains of HIV that are common on this continent, that form of sex is more likely to transmit the disease than others, but there's a difference between caution and stupidity.

      However, since the rule is in place, I wish I weren't still eligible
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      • #4
        The rule should, "Have you had anal sex in this period of time" Which can apply to all sexual types, straight or gay.

        There is a greater risk of contracting HIV through anal sex than there is through "normal" intercourse. But they never word it like that they just go after gay men.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by jackfaire View Post
          The rule should, "Have you had anal sex in this period of time" Which can apply to all sexual types, straight or gay.

          There is a greater risk of contracting HIV through anal sex than there is through "normal" intercourse. But they never word it like that they just go after gay men.
          Possibly cause more people use condoms in vaginal sex than anal?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Greenday View Post
            Possibly cause more people use condoms in vaginal sex than anal?
            No, anal sex is just riskier. There's no natural lubrication, so small tears and bleeding is more likely.

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            • #7
              I donate blood, and I'm pretty sure that in the US they test your blood after you donate EVERY SINGLE TIME to make sure it is not HIV+. So I don't think they should bar men who have sex with men unless their blood tests positive for HIV. Boozy brings up a good point about the risks of anal sex, but if all the blood is tested anyway then I don't think there's a need to discriminate. The need for blood is so dire that the US and Canada should seriously consider lifting the ban.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Giggle Goose View Post
                ...if all the blood is tested anyway then I don't think there's a need to discriminate.
                There are still several concerns. One is that HIV can take about three months to produce the antibodies that trigger a positive result in the blood tests. So I could understand asking donors about potential risk factors from the last three months.

                There's also a concern that HIV, like any virus, can change into unexpected and unpredictable strains. Blood testing techniques can take time to catch up when this happens. In the meantime, some strains can get passed the testing precautions.

                Asking potential donors some questions about lifestyle is not a bad idea.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Greenday View Post
                  Possibly cause more people use condoms in vaginal sex than anal?
                  Actually the tissue is more absorbant.

                  Boozy I agree with asking people about risky behaviors I disagree with asking about a risky behavior (anal sex) but only from a one type of person.

                  For example asking if a Native American drinks alcohol but not ever asking anyone else that would be wrong.

                  Anal sex is a high risk behavior but not one restricted to people who are gay. Plus why not if your actually worried about high risk behaviors ask about them like, "Have you had more than X sexual partners in this period of time. Do you use protection when having sex, etc"

                  I am sure people would be in an uproar if they started asking about high risk behaviors but since they are just screening out the Gays it's okay.

                  Side note being Gay doesn't mean I am suddenly promiscuous and will sleep around. Heck what if two virgin males get together and are together for 20 years but aren't allowed to donate because god forbid they may have given each other a disease they were never at risk for,
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                  • #10
                    It's been a long time since I donated blood, but I was asked a lot of lifestyle questions, including whether I had been to certain countries and whether or not I had anal sex. And I'm a straight female.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks Boozy. I didn't know all that! Sounds like it can get pretty complicated. It just sucks that there's so many people that desperately need blood, but you have to be so careful about where you get it and set such strict standards.

                      You also can't donate if you've accepted money or drugs in exchange for sex. At least I think....(and I answered NO, btw, which is true, so don't get any ideas )

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
                        It's been a long time since I donated blood, but I was asked a lot of lifestyle questions, including whether I had been to certain countries and whether or not I had anal sex. And I'm a straight female.
                        That's a good place then. A few months ago doing plasma the only sexual question asked was and has been are a man who has been with a man since 77. No man is asked if he had anal sex with a girl no girl asked if with a guy.

                        There are places that won't ask those kinds of questions of heterosexuals.
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                        • #13
                          Do condoms still come with instructions not to use them for anything other than vaginal sex?
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                          • #14
                            The last time I tried to give blood, i don't remember there being any questions about my sexual preference.

                            However, I am not permitted to give blood. Why? Because I lived in Germany for 2 years in the 80s. Apparently, they think I may have been exposed to Mad Cow Disease.

                            It's been over 20 years. I think I would've shown at least ONE symptom by now.

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                            • #15
                              My best friend can't donate plasma anymore. Here is why.

                              His girlfriend at the time was also donating they tested her plasma twice the first time they screwed up the test and showed her positive for HIV. Their second test proved she didn't have it. All subsequent tests she had at the doctor's office have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that she does not now nor ever did have it.

                              Their test was clearly wrong. They banned her for life.

                              My friend pointed out he is sleeping with her. Their tests of his plasma were all negative. All tests with doctors are negative. He is also banned for life.

                              We trust the science to give us the positive answers but we assume it is wrong if the answer is negative? I dont' get it.
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