Comparing homosexuality to vegetarianism

[smileyeagle1021]

But a gay relationship is about sex. It would not exist if they did not want to have sex with each other.

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I work two jobs and go to school. Every day my boyfriend spends at least 4 or 5 hours out filling out job applications and doing job interviews. About the only thing that happens in bed is sleep (and scant little of that).
We still love each other. We still have a healthy relationship. According to your theory that shouldn't happen because we aren't having sex.

Oh, and as others have mentioned... fetishes are sexual activity that doesn't involve sexual organs.
Getting hard at men being force stripped in public= fetish
Getting hard by having your ear bitten= fetish
Getting hard by being tickled= fetish
Wanting to have sex in a computer server room= borderline fetish depending on who you ask.
Loving someone completely, body, mind, heart, and soul =/= fetish

Most gay people I know are not attracted to the opposite sex either physically or emotionally. So, it's more than just sex... much more.

[chaoticjthm]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/ma...pagewanted=all


Are you saying that we should allow that man to marry a pillow? Seems like he sure loves her alot. I've seen married couples without that much commitment.

ok i konw this is a little old so sorry. now im not really trying to bash the japanese but they are nuts seriously. sometimes its a good thing sometimes its a bad thing but he's also an otoku and they really are crazy they collect anything anime. and don't have much of a social life to begin with (i could be wrong but that is the way it has been told to me by many people). but either way a gay relationship is not a fetish they have sex yes but again so do straight people your baseing on that alone?

[Skunkle]

Did it really? Interesting classification, as it still does not fit the proper definition.

By elsporko's definitions, anything other than straight, vaginal intercourse would classify as both a fetish and as unnatural.

[Parrothead]

I think elsporko was thinking of sodomy, maybe?

[wraiths_crono]

Sex is a part of any relationship granted but it doesn't define the whole relationship. it is an important part. I don't know straight couples that are, "Oh well we don't want to have sex but we are going to get married anyway"

This statement is misguided I have a good friend whom is married to his wife, they have never had sex, and neither of them have EVER had sex, its not something that interests them, however they are a good loving couple so its not always important to have sex if you honestly love the person you are with.

[Skunkle]

No, as far as I see it, elsporko is quiote confident and satisfied in his belief that homosexuality is a fetish and a decision, and thus deserves no other rights. Note that he's not here debating; most who are extremely confident in this sort of belief DO NOT have the slightest interest in debating it once they're presented with enough people who can explain, in detail, why they might reconsider.

Not to say that elsporko is a bad person, mind. Just as my being a Liberal or Conservative doesn't make me a bad person inherently, no more do opinions. And I've seen opinions of elsporko elsewhere on this site with which I do agree.

[the_std]

Just wondering if elsporko was going to get around to answer any of the questions asked in this thread...

[linguist]

who knows. he hasn't answered a number of mine posed in other threads.

[Boozy]

who knows. he hasn't answered a number of mine posed in other threads.

Maybe not, but please limit the discussion to the topics presented in this thread only. Any particular member's activity or inactivity in another thread is outside the scope of debate.

Thanks.

[jackfaire]

This statement is misguided I have a good friend whom is married to his wife, they have never had sex, and neither of them have EVER had sex, its not something that interests them, however they are a good loving couple so its not always important to have sex if you honestly love the person you are with.

I would put forth that they are the exception not the rule.

[Skunkle]

That would likely be correct, Jackfaire, however it starts with attraction. All-around attraction. Sexual, romantic, the true connection. Sex IS a part of that. But sex is a PART of that.

Of course, most of the anti-gay arguments also assume that it's a choice. If it was, when people are being harassed to the point of death threats, wouldn't it be noticed if they frequently just quit being gay? It doesn't happen.

The only real exception to this (and I'm sure this fuels some of the fires) is "prison gay". No sex exists in prison, not even masturbation, or at least those are the rules. But, faced with no other outlet, countless men engage in sex acts with other men. Why? Mostly just "any port in a storm". They want, no, crave a hole it get their rocks off in and, with no other choices, they do with what they've got. And these guys aren't gay, they're just desperate.

As the old bawdy verse runs...
"In days of old, when men were bold, and ladies weren't invented,
The men drilled holes in telephone poles and had to be contented"

And as to the "gays beget gays" thing, I grew up with a straight mom and dad in a stable family, and most of the gay and lesbian people I know grew up in straight families. And the only gay couple I know who're raisaing a kid? Their kid is straight.

[jackfaire]

Happens in all male boarding schools as well.

[Skunkle]

True, though I think of that less as "prison gay" and more as "folling around" that loads of kids do when they're young, many of whom may end up straight as adults.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

True, though I think of that less as "prison gay" and more as "folling around" that loads of kids do when they're young, many of whom may end up straight as adults.

or, as we sciency types call it: explorative experimentation displaying basic rigor