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    Apparently, our liberal arts dean is deluded into thinking that everyone loves group projects. Whether he is smoking something or being a sarcastic douche, he's wrong. Nobody loves group projects! (at least in my experience)

    Well group projects aren't too bad if you have a good group of people, but these stupid presentations are, especially the "fun" ones. The one I'm doing now, make your own religion. Now this would actually be pretty fun and a good way to be creative with what I really believe, except for one big problem, it's a group project! This means that everyone in the group has to agree on one religion. So if I come up with Homerism, that means someone else can't do Simon Cowellism, and vice versa. And of course, everyone's contribution has to be cohesive, which is complicated by the fact that we only see other in class, and that it can be difficult to communicate ideas with groups. I wouldn't have to plan things like this if I can just do it on my own (or optional groups), but alas, that would make it too easy. So much for being creative when you have to negotiate with your group.

    It's so much easier for me to do it on my own. With groups, there's always people who either fail to communicate or do their part. In fact, just deciding on a topic can be a daunting task that if it were just me doing I could just make up my mind without having to worry about what everyone else wants to do. Hell, with one group, their leader didn't even show up on the day they were supposed to present so they had to move it to another day. The worst part is you are partly responsible for their grade and vice versa. Since I suck at that kind of stuff, I end up feeling like the slacker who's slowing everyone down.

    The presentations themselves aren't any better. Without fail, I end up getting nervous somewhere down the road and start stuttering, trying to remember what to say. It's even worse when I'm finally finished, but the instructor asks questions forcing me to go back and remember my notes. Oh and I better not have to "review" the presentations of others. How would I know how to grade them and why would I care? It's not my job. I just want to get mine over with and get out of their.

    *sigh*

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    I hate group projects. I'm not looking forward to the part of my art direction class that requires them, I understand why they're included, since in that course it's extremely relevant, but it doesn't mean that I have to like them.

    I hate having people relying on me for things, or vice versa.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rageaholic View Post
      Apparently, our liberal arts dean is deluded into thinking that everyone loves group projects. Whether he is smoking something or being a sarcastic douche, he's wrong. Nobody loves group projects! (at least in my experience)

      Well group projects aren't too bad if you have a good group of people, but these stupid presentations are, especially the "fun" ones. The one I'm doing now, make your own religion. Now this would actually be pretty fun and a good way to be creative with what I really believe, except for one big problem, it's a group project! This means that everyone in the group has to agree on one religion. So if I come up with Homerism, that means someone else can't do Simon Cowellism, and vice versa. And of course, everyone's contribution has to be cohesive, which is complicated by the fact that we only see other in class, and that it can be difficult to communicate ideas with groups. I wouldn't have to plan things like this if I can just do it on my own (or optional groups), but alas, that would make it too easy. So much for being creative when you have to negotiate with your group.

      It's so much easier for me to do it on my own. With groups, there's always people who either fail to communicate or do their part. In fact, just deciding on a topic can be a daunting task that if it were just me doing I could just make up my mind without having to worry about what everyone else wants to do. Hell, with one group, their leader didn't even show up on the day they were supposed to present so they had to move it to another day. The worst part is you are partly responsible for their grade and vice versa. Since I suck at that kind of stuff, I end up feeling like the slacker who's slowing everyone down.

      The presentations themselves aren't any better. Without fail, I end up getting nervous somewhere down the road and start stuttering, trying to remember what to say. It's even worse when I'm finally finished, but the instructor asks questions forcing me to go back and remember my notes. Oh and I better not have to "review" the presentations of others. How would I know how to grade them and why would I care? It's not my job. I just want to get mine over with and get out of their.

      *sigh*
      Oooh, I've always wanted to do that! I thought of making Americanism. The Bible would begin with "Common Sense" and then the Declaration with the Constitution and include the Federalist Papers. Adam Smith would be a prophet, along with Jefferson and Franklin. Washington would be our messaic figure...or maybe Lincoln. Jefferson Davis would be the devil...

      Sorry, going OT.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by muses_nightmare View Post
        I hate group projects. I'm not looking forward to the part of my art direction class that requires them, I understand why they're included, since in that course it's extremely relevant, but it doesn't mean that I have to like them.
        We have our students do a group project - they have to perform a short scene from one of the plays that we've read. I understand why we have them do it; you can't really understand theatre until you get up there and do it. But that doesn't mean it isn't a pain.

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        • #5
          I hated group projects in grade school and high school, because it meant me going "How abou-

          Group: No, shut up

          ME: "Can I at leas

          Group: "No, shut up. We're doing it this way. Your ideas stupid".

          ME: "Alll I want is a l-

          GROUP: SHUT UP!


          At least now, in collage, the group projects are, a group project. We all have equal say, and so far, we all put in equal amount of work.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Plaidman View Post
            Group: "No, shut up. We're doing it this way. Your ideas stupid".
            Yeah pretty much. Doing a project in economics we had to run a mock company.


            "We should lower our prices to stay competitive" (How well your business did determined your grade)

            "No that's a bad idea no one else has done that yet." (It was a round based each company discussed then the teacher would ask for changes they were making. We were the only team not to lower our price that round)

            "Okay now we can lower our price because they have" (facepalm)

            "We need to lower it more actually be lower than them"

            "Nah we should lower it to what they did"

            Yeah we got an F. Unfortunatly the teacher appointed one person the leader. He got final say. Stock Market project same group same leader same stupid decisions. Same F. I barely passed with a D.

            Oh side note since said leader was an Athlete and the teacher a coach he magically got As.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by jackfaire View Post
              .

              Oh side note since said leader was an Athlete and the teacher a coach he magically got As.
              Well duh. People go to collage to see the sports. That means money. Collage kids can't play if they don't keep grades up. Doesn't matter if they don't know the alphabet. If its on paper, thats Ok!

              Personally, each student should like be required to take tests before each game to be judge by someone with no connection to student/class. If they pass, play. If not, well maybe tehir teacher should stop letting them pass.
              Toilet Paper has been "bath tissue" for the longest time, and it really chaps my ass - Blas
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              • #8
                I hate group projects! Every time I am in one, I end up doing all of the work because I'm always paired up with lazy people and I don't feel like failing because of them. I like theatre, but I'm not looking forward to the creative project. The people in my class either don't know what's going on or think that they know everything.
                "It's after Jeopardy, so it is my bed time."- Me when someone made a joke about how "old" I am.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Plaidman View Post
                  I hated group projects in grade school and high school, because it meant me going "How abou-

                  Group: No, shut up

                  ME: "Can I at leas

                  Group: "No, shut up. We're doing it this way. Your ideas stupid".

                  ME: "Alll I want is a l-

                  GROUP: SHUT UP!


                  At least now, in collage, the group projects are, a group project. We all have equal say, and so far, we all put in equal amount of work.
                  That was my experience with group work as well. It wasn't that they hated my ideas, it was that they hated ME. And therefore anything out of my mouth got shot down royally. When I told the teachers that my groupmates would not let me do anything at all, they didn't care. "Majority rules". Guess nobody told the teachers about "tyranny of the majority".

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Amanita View Post
                    That was my experience with group work as well. It wasn't that they hated my ideas, it was that they hated ME. And therefore anything out of my mouth got shot down royally. When I told the teachers that my groupmates would not let me do anything at all, they didn't care. "Majority rules". Guess nobody told the teachers about "tyranny of the majority".
                    Yeah. Same here. Though one of the teachers told me in second/third grade. "Well, you been struggling. Enjoy the A while you can"
                    Toilet Paper has been "bath tissue" for the longest time, and it really chaps my ass - Blas
                    I AM THE MAN of the house! I wear the pants!!! But uh...my wife buys the pants so....yeah.

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                    • #11
                      The one thing I did to make the group projects less painful for my students was to let them, essentially pick their own groups. This plan has worked rather well, since all of the groups have been meeting regularly and the first round of performances was quite good. I've had very few complaints about group members or anything - except for those who haven't shown up at all for the entire semester.

                      I hate it. I wish I could let my students do solo projects. But theatre's key element is collaboration, so.....yeah.

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                      • #12
                        I'v had the same experience as Plaidman. When ever I mentioned something, we would not consider it. Let the teachers know and they would say something. But the group would not listen

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                        • #13
                          I loathed group projects in Middle school and grew to despise them in High School. I haven’t had the fortune to have them in college - haven’t gone yet due to finances when young and now having a family. I hated when being assigned to a group of people who’s grades were doing poorly it seemed as if the teachers would try there darnedest to stick me with them. Heaven knew I didn’t want to fail because of these idiots so I’d essentially do all the work.

                          My favorite and final turning point was in 6th grade. Did a paper on Christian Religion in the Middle Ages. I ended up with a 15 page typed report answering 5 questions we were to answer. We had to do a group report and an individual report. Who were monks and where did they live? Who was St. Patrick- stuff like that. I can only remember some of the questions because of the idiot answers those girls gave. Such as monks being priests and lived in groups. St. Patrick was also a priest. Yep 1 sentence answer’s were going to magically give them a 5 page report. I still offered them my notes just to make sure our group report and demo went well. They refused. After turning in our papers the teacher made me give them my notes so that they could rewrite their papers and get a better grade.

                          Since then I pretty much refused to work with a group larger than 3. I got lucky that when ever I asked I was usually able to talk the teacher down to that minimum number. Most of the time I worked by myself since I could then guarantee what work had been done.

                          I can understand having to do a group presentation for Theater, or classes that require working as a team to get a job done, but English? History? Math? Science? Nope just let me be on my own and I’m happy.

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                          • #14
                            When forming groups, I always ended up the odd man out with no group to join.
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                            • #15
                              I used to have problems finding things to do in groups. Like in lab classes.

                              Me: I'll go get the supplies.

                              Kate: Nope, I'll do that.

                              Me: Ok, then I'll perform the experiment.

                              John: Nope, I got that.

                              Me: Well then I'll correlate the data.

                              Jack: I got it.

                              Me: So what can I do?

                              <group shrug>

                              Kate: Nothing I guess. We got it covered.

                              </later>

                              Everyone: DRFAROOHK WOULDN'T HELP US YOU SHOULD FAIL HIM!

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