I live in country + Like guns = I have problems

[Hobbs]

the Liberty quote was made, if I remember correctly, was none other than Ben Franklin

here is the entire quote and a bunch of paraphrased quotes


here is the wikiquote page that comes from.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

the liberty quote is about 1/3 of the way down.

and again I remind everyone what George Carlin said in his last concert
"Right are just a set of temporary privliages. and rights are not 'rights' if they can be taken away on a whim".

oh and the Nazi thing, it is STILL very much alive a kickin here in the US and Europe. not that they call themselves Nazis but the message and the signage is a very very similiar one.

This next statement applies very much to the US:
I guess we should talk to the Irish or the Germans or or the Italians or the Jews or the French (remember Freedom Fries from 9 years ago??) or the Blacks or Hispanics, or the gays or the trans-gendered or the Natives of ANY COUNTRY after colonialism (even AFTER they were "set" free") and see what they say about discrimination and the statement "NO we will NEVER do that again". yeah what a joke that is.

look at Arizona (a created problem dating back to the 19th Century not a recent thing)

Sorry if I don't bend to the opinions of a comedian. Rights can only be taken with due process.

That said, our statement about Nazi's has nothing to do with the neo-Nazi movement. We were discussing the use of the term "Nazi" against a particular stance/opinion you disagree with.

[Skelly]

I get nervous around anyone carrying a gun, cops included, but that's because of my training and knowing exactly how easy it is to disarm someone, and also the one simple fact that guns are meant to kill, plain and simple, they have no other purpose.

So? Some people need to be killed.

[AdminAssistant]

I never thought of it that way, it literally didn't occur to me that all our police officers were impotent jackasses whose weapons are unnecessary. Oh well, I guess we should do away with them as well!

*sigh* You know exactly who I'm talking about. The wanna-be crusaders who think that the government is out to get them, that taxes should be illegal, and that they should be the ones who administer the law. Their wanna-bes, plain and simple, and these are some of the last people that I'd want with a deadly weapon.

So? Some people need to be killed.

Who gets to make that decision? You? Me? I'm pretty sure that's why we have a legal/judicial system.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

So you're going to paint every gun owner and/or carrier with he bad example of a small minority? IF you're talking about vigilantees, not only is that a completely different thing, but it's also illegal. OC and CC-ers aren't administering justice, they're providing for their own protection and that of others.

Also, the judicial system is all well and good, but it won't save anyone's life once the lead's in the air. Shooting back will, which is why police officers do it so often.

[Skelly]

*sigh* You know exactly who I'm talking about. The wanna-be crusaders who think that the government is out to get them, that taxes should be illegal, and that they should be the ones who administer the law. Their wanna-bes, plain and simple, and these are some of the last people that I'd want with a deadly weapon.

Self defence does not equal "administering the law". You are constantly engaging in vilifying attacks against those who choose to be able to resist encounters with the violent subhumans that exist in society. "Penis extension" and such like. I suppose that all the women in the US who carry a gun for protection simply suffer from penis envy then?

Who gets to make that decision? You? Me? I'm pretty sure that's why we have a legal/judicial system.

If I'm in an area where self defence is allowed, and I have the means, and someone breaks in to my home, or tries to assault me, then yes, I get to make that fucking decision who comes out surviving the encounter without injuries or loss of property. It should be me, and if that requires one, or for that matter one hundred criminals to lay dead afterwards, then so be it. I do not advocate going out like Charles Bronson in Death Wish, or like the Punisher, I do however advocate everything up to and including lethal force against burglars, rapists, thugs and other assorted villainy. Every dead violent criminal is a win for society, because that criminal won't commit a crime again. Ever.

[BlaqueKatt]

Blas, you can get a taser, just not the pistol-type the police use.

Here's a helpful link: http://www.itaser.com/product_tour.html

and nothing stronger than pepper spray is legal in WI for self-defense-if she used it or got caught even having it she'd go to jail...I love this state

[smileyeagle1021]

Every dead violent criminal is a win for society, because that criminal won't commit a crime again. Ever.

And as has been said to me by many a friend, if it comes down to you or the attacker for who has to die, it is much better to be the one that ends up facing a jury of 12 peers rather than the one carried by 6.

[Hobbs]

and nothing stronger than pepper spray is legal in WI for self-defense-if she used it or got caught even having it she'd go to jail...I love this state

Seriously? Damn. Move to TX. You get a gun with a liquor purchase; state law.

[blas87]

Yes Katt, I love Wisconsin too....about as much as I love Sunday nights

[insertNameHere]

Blas, you can get a taser, just not the pistol-type the police use.

Here's a helpful link: http://www.itaser.com/product_tour.html

False, you can actually get the pistol type just not as bad ass. they have a shorter range but longer shock time so you can place it on the ground and RUN away. But really that depends on where you live, looking up stuff about my concealed carry I learned that tasers are illegal to own in Michigan.

and nothing stronger than pepper spray is legal in WI for self-defense-if she used it or got caught even having it she'd go to jail...I love this state

That is SO FUCKING STUPID, especially when last night I had a girl wonder into the store last night about 3am looked like hell, I thought from the mud all over her shoes she was just drunk and walking home but she responded with she was just raped and needed a black and mild, I'm guessing she was still in shock from how she was acting. I hope she did report it because she freaked and left as another male entered the store.

So? Some people need to be killed.

This statement agrees with above comment. I think our justice system is too kind sometimes.

Seriously? Damn. Move to TX. You get a gun with a liquor purchase; state law.

I love that in Texas when your neighbors house is being broken into you can EXECUTE 2 people and not go to jail. Originally I thought it was screwed up till I learned it was Illegal Aliens that got killed which makes me think the guy needs a medal. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...=mostpop_story


Summary: It is amazing how different the states are, some you legally can't defend yourself and will go to jail longer than the criminal who tried to attack you if you do defend yourself.

While others you can walk outside and kill criminals without needing to worry.

[Skelly]

This statement agrees with above comment. I think our justice system is too kind sometimes.

Your justice system isn't too kind. After all, plenty of states will lock you up for life if you are a big enough of a fuck up. Hell, they'll gladly lock you up for life if your partner in crime is shot to death in some states.
Over here OTOH a man was convicted today of assault that led to the death of an elderly woman. He was sentenced to a whooping 1 years and 10 months in prison, and he'll probably be out after 2/3 for good behaviour and such. OURS is too fucking kind. Guy deserves a bullet to the back of the skull.

[Hobbs]

I love that in Texas when your neighbors house is being broken into you can EXECUTE 2 people and not go to jail. Originally I thought it was screwed up till I learned it was Illegal Aliens that got killed which makes me think the guy needs a medal. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...=mostpop_story

THe highlighted section is so sickening, it doesn't deserve a response.

[crashhelmet]

I love that in Texas when your neighbors house is being broken into you can EXECUTE 2 people and not go to jail. Originally I thought it was screwed up till I learned it was Illegal Aliens that got killed which makes me think the guy needs a medal. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...=mostpop_story

Do you have a source to say that they were illegal aliens? That article fails to mention their residency status. Or are you assuming that they must be illegal because they have Spanish names?

CH

[smileyeagle1021]

THe highlighted section is so sickening, it doesn't deserve a response.

Yes it does, it deserves the response "how does a persons nation of origin change the value of their life"
I agree wholeheartedly with the right to use lethal force to defend yourself, but I don't think medals should be given out for it, and definitely don't think that the criminals nation of origin makes any difference (a life is still a life and a death is still a death, no matter what the color of skin).

[insertNameHere]

Do you have a source to say that they were illegal aliens? That article fails to mention their residency status. Or are you assuming that they must be illegal because they have Spanish names?

CH

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315477,00.html

if you want to complain its fox news

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hor...ng_controversy
its wikipedia but follow the links to the sources, im sure a few eventually pick up on the fact it was illegal aliens

I don't remember the original source I heard it from since it was a nice big topic in the headlines at the time which is about 2.5 years ago.

THe highlighted section is so sickening, it doesn't deserve a response.

My viewpoint is this, they were ILLEGALLY in this country and were stealing shit from an American citizen. Those two points make it hard for me to give a shit about the death of someone who doesn't seem to give a shit about our laws, and I'm willing to bet this wasn't the first time outside of crossing the border they did something illegal.