A Special Message To EWs

[ZedOmega]

Normally a thread like this would be going into CS's Sucky Customers board, but this time, it's blown up into a full-on rant. As a preventative, it's going straight in here.

Most of you who've seen my threads know what kind of people I deal with for the most part: drunks, at various degrees of non-sobriety. The occasional one will show up and raise hell because they're not getting their own way, which requires me to call for backup from the manager, owner, or the promoter in rare cases.

Last night, the ratio of CCs to EWs was roughly 4:1. Four to fucking one. And the common factor was IDs. Either they were expired or left at home.

The night before, I had substituted for T (our door girl for the show entrance) again, and had one in particular show up with an ID that'd been expired since '04! The Year Of The Christian Lord Two Thousand And Bloody Four! Of course I didn't let her in, and I thought it'd be the end of it, but later on, I took a peek inside the bar, and guess who was sitting at the counter! Apparently, she'd gone in through the other door, where a guy who's not going to be watching that door again in my place if I can fucking help it doesn't know that you need to look at expiration dates as well!

Okay, back on topic. Seriously, I can understand if the ID's been expired for a week, or hell, if it's your birthday and it's about to expire when the clock chimes midnight, but longer than a week and it's just the people being lazy. There's no excuse. After a week, 'I haven't had a chance to renew it' doesn't fly. And after a year, let alone six fucking years, it's just apathy.

And leaving it at home? Still no excuse. There's not even any logical way to try to wiggle their sorry asses out of it. They're gonna show up at a bar without ID? People tend to have things happen to them for driving anywhere without a driver's license! The fact that they made it to the bar without incident is amazing in and of itself!

I'm through being nice about the ID situation. We're not going to get shut down because these assholes want to try and get away with ID-related problems. I now have permission from the manager to do what I have to to make sure we're safe if we get raided.

[Kimmik]

*huggles* As a cashier I know all to well the Suck that comes from you need id... I am so sorry for all the dicks that you must get...

[blas87]

ID'ing people is one of the biggest hassles that just should not be.

It's not that hard to keep it with you and show it. Really.

No, you are not being insulted or treated poorly. It's the law.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Ugh. I hate IDing people with a passion. I have been threatened, sworn at and insulted; all cuz I am following the rules that Trading Standards set. To all the people who hate being IDed even tho they're eighteen; it's not me who makes the rules, it's fucking Trading Standards who came up with the "Think 25" rule. So kindly direct your vitriol towards them, not me, cuz I have no choice but to follow this rule. I do not like anyone enough to take the risk of paying a whopping big fine, so if you look under twenty five, I will card you. If you don't have any ID, then tough titty.

[Boozy]

Something I've discovered is that the younger the person, the more crap they give you about being asked for ID.

The drinking age is 19 here in Ontario.

If I hear something like this:

"I can't believe this, I'm never asked for ID. It's in my car, now I have to run out and get it. This is ridiculous."

...this person is under the age of 22. Always.

The odds double if they have friends with them. Then they have someone to "impress" with their world-weary attitude.

We have a "looks under 25" rule too, which means my 32 year-old self loves getting asked for ID.

[BrenDAnn]

It's Think 40 here. An ID that expired SIX years ago? How the hell did she get away with THAT one for the past six years? I feel for you, I really do. If you're old enough, what the hell is the big effing deal about showing your ID? Oh, and yes, I NEED that ID OUT of the wallet/holder, PLEASE. Great that you got your manager's permission to do what you have to do though!

[guywithashovel]

When I worked at Wal-Mart, the rule was that we had to card anyone who appeared under 27. I think I saw a sign the other day that indicated that anyone who looked under 40 would be asked for ID. I guess they're going to make damn sure no kiddies get any cigs or booze.

I don't buy alcohol very often, and I never buy tobacco, but when I do get beer or some kind of drink, I'm actually surprised if I am not carded. I'm 28, but I really think I look younger than that. Then again, maybe not. When I was younger, people always thought I was a lot younger than I was. I can remember being a senior in high school and having people do jaw-drops when I told them I was a senior, since they had originally thought I was around eighth grade or so. At the time, I didn't necesarily appreciate that. At that age, you usually yearn to be older.

[Plaidman]

I hate ID people criers.

My god, I had one woman very pissed off that I would dare card her for smokes. She was screaming that she was old enough to buy it, it was bullshit, how dare I say she's lying (I never said she was lying, just I cannot sell her cigs without ID). She slams door open, runs out to car, grabs ID, rips door open, slams ID on counter and tells me I better never, ever, ever, fucking card her ever again because I should now know that without a dount that she is of age.
The kicker being.........
She turned 18 yesterday.


I understand expired ID's. more often then not I have pointed it out to people who didn't know. But after a year, or me repeatedly telling you is just lazy. Longest expired ID I had was in 89. When I carded the guy for using his credit card purchuse of 50 bucks. It being 2005 or 2006 at the time....

I think the funniest ID deal I had was I was in line in christmas shortly after I turned 21. I was buying beer for friend christmas gift. (he was way over 21 at the time). Did I get carded? Nope. I was 21 by two months. Wasn't carded. Trying to help, I told customer service and manager on duty. They failed to see why it was a problem. I was of age. Fine. I'll be sure to tell all the underage people they can buy beer and they won't be carded, and when they slammed with lawsuits or something, their defense would be "He looked 21" will suffice. However, I WAS carded for buying a Rated TEEN game in same store, same day (before I bought beer).

[NorthernZel]

In many retail stores over here there's a sign next to the cash line issued by the government, stating: "If you get carded, please take it as a compliment!" and lists the age limits (18 years for tobacco, 16 for alcoholic beverages - although there are talks of raising the age limit for alcohol to 18 years as well).

Haven't heard of any serious issues re: ID policies/carding over here though. Our own local version of CS.com only lists a few incidents.

[Plaidman]

In many retail stores over here there's a sign next to the cash line issued by the government, stating: "If you get carded, please take it as a compliment!" and lists the age limits (18 years for tobacco, 16 for alcoholic beverages - although there are talks of raising the age limit for alcohol to 18 years as well).

Haven't heard of any serious issues re: ID policies/carding over here though. Our own local version of CS.com only lists a few incidents.

Signs mean nothing here NorthernZel. I've been slashed with a knife over carding someone.

[Lace Neil Singer]

SCs don't read signs. We have a giant sign stating that the petrol station is a "Think 25" store; and people don't take a blind bit of notice of it. -.- Also, when a young bitchling or smegforbrains is swearing and threatening me, the last thing I feel like doing is pointing out a sign. O_o

[blas87]

I agree with Boozy. It's always the freshly legals who throw the biggest fits.

I got that once "You CAN'T card me!" from a freshly 18 year old, once she finally whipped her ID in my face. Bitch, I can kick you out of here and I can card you if I damn well want.

[Racket_Man]

I'll bet those kind of people woudl love a Nevada (I think) C-store chain. a few years back I read in a C-store trade mag that one particular chain there had a iron-clad policy of ID'ing EVERYONE for booze, lotto, and tobacco NO exceptions. one missed ID and termination was the only outcome. 15 and 20 year managers were let go.

the trend seems to be carding everyone for tobacco, lottery, and booze so as to make it as non-discriminatorty as possible.

[DrFaroohk]

IDing people SUCKS. Done it many times for the Circle K. Always the same bullshit hassle. "BUT YOU KNOW ME!" So?

Not sure if anyone else has to deal with this, but failing to ID someone who looks young is a crime in itself. If a cop saw me sell cigarettes to my own brother, he could do something awful to me (ticket, jail, not sure which), even if my brother could show his id and prove he's old enough.

They should change the law to take the responsibility completely off the ID people. Make it so that if you want to lie about your age and get into a club or buy booze, fine, but expect to spend the next 90 days in jail for your first offense, 1 year for second offense, and so on.

[Red Panda]

I think the funniest ID deal I had was I was in line in christmas shortly after I turned 21. I was buying beer for friend christmas gift. (he was way over 21 at the time). Did I get carded? Nope. I was 21 by two months. Wasn't carded. Trying to help, I told customer service and manager on duty. They failed to see why it was a problem. I was of age. Fine. I'll be sure to tell all the underage people they can buy beer and they won't be carded, and when they slammed with lawsuits or something, their defense would be "He looked 21" will suffice. However, I WAS carded for buying a Rated TEEN game in same store, same day (before I bought beer).

Why are you so angry that they new you were old enough? It didn't hurt you nor did it hurt anybody else.