company loyalty

[draggar]

This is what I've learned over the past few years:

- If your company can replace you with someone cheaper, even if it is in another country, they'll do it.

- If your company thinks one person can do the work of more than one, they'll do it.

- If your company thinks they can cut benefits to save a buck, they'll do it.

- If your company thinks they can cut pay raises, they'll do it.

- If your company thinks they can cut paid time off, they'll do it.

With the way the economy is now, most companies know they can screw their employees as much as they want with little fear of a mass exodus. Sure, a couple may leave (usually the better employees) but then that's more money saved.

Companies today have little to no loyalty to their employees. 10 years of service means nothing today, maybe a "certificate" (meaning something someone printed on their computer on fancy paper with a dollar-store frame around it) and a "good job" from some higher quality supervisors.

[Racket_Man]

Companies today have little to no loyalty to their employees. 10 years of service means nothing today, maybe a "certificate" (meaning something someone printed on their computer on fancy paper with a dollar-store frame around it) and a "good job" from some higher quality supervisors.

my company (and its sister companies) just give out little 3x5 cards that are basically a "pat on the head and say Good BOOOOOOOYYYYYY". just a meaingless faked and cut and pasted thank you. just like those form letters/e-mails you receive from various companies where your name/address is in a different typeface than the rest of the letter. Nothing personal just a another type of form letter.

even simple and heartfelt Thank You's and Good Job's are not even good enough anymore. yeah whatever

we rarely get thanked or recognised (in a meaningfull way) for our hard work, blood sweat and tears and future physical/medical/psychological problems

when we have been there too long, as in at the top of the pay scale, our hours get cut to a minimum cause we cost too much and thus we care even less

we are allowed/required to be abused by customers and co-irkers alike.why would ANYONE care or be loyal if the abuse is "LEGALIZED"

when something good comes along/is promised and the "reward" is meaningfull it is often vaporware. for example. our now Ex manager challenged us for one 4 week period to get the most 100's on customer surveys in the company (we did) and to keep the streak going as long as possible (and we set a company record that still stands for the longest streak like 3 or 4 periods) . if we achieved this he said BBQ on HIM in the parking lot. OK something nice. Guess what?? we achieved the streak but...........never happened. everytime we as a body brought this up we were met with icy silence. he got what he wanted fuck us

why do you want US to get all worked up about something we have NO stake in. as in YOUR bonus or prize or recoginition award, or accolates.

sorry working smarter is not possible anymore. if I am expected to do the work of 3 people smarter is NOT in my playbook anymore

the lame ass "motivation games" you keep on trying to foist on us with equally lame prizes --- OHHHHHH a free order of breadsticks??????? HUH WTF are you smokin???? have management NOT figured out that lameass games do NOT motivate people. I quit playin childlike games like that LOOOOONNNNGGG ago. things like a free pizza just DO NOT motivate me or anyone else.

in one instance when I worked for a mortgage company I got a small recognition award for something (actually the something was very small) I did to help out another department other than mine. I did not know beforehand that I had been even nominated let alone receiving this award. unfortuneately this was near the end of my time with this company. the other dept. was having a group get together and I suddenly heard my name being called. looking around they were motioning me to comerover there. I was not sure of what was going on so I stumbled over and was told about the award. I sort of sputtered a Thank You and went back to my desk. I asked my supervisor what was going on

my supervisor, on the other hand, DID know about this award and tried to stop me from getting it but was overruled from higher up. Not sure why except I really think she was trying to keep herself looking good and trying to stomp on me. this was right after I received the worst performace review I have ever received, my Father has just suddenly passed away and the company was going downhill FAST. I figured she was trying to stay afloat longer and trying to drown me ASAP.

and the funny thing about this job was I was not there all that long. about a year as a temp and 9 months as a fulltime hire. with the slowdown came a drastic change in my sup's attitude toward me. she went from nice and helpful to nasty and "I'm going to throw you under the bus" all in about a 2 month span. I have a strong feeling that she was going to be let go first and I was going to be kept on as long as possible casue I had more experience in certain areas than she did. she just "poisoned the well" a llittle too well.

[Nyoibo]

As someone said in a conversation I had a little while ago "there's no company loyalty anymore because companies have no loyalty".

[insertNameHere]

As someone said in a conversation I had a little while ago "there's no company loyalty anymore because companies have no loyalty".

I couldn't agree more. I make minimum wage plus .25 cents, after a year of work. I might get another raise, I am very good at my job because I don't get many drive offs, I know how to stop scammers in their tracks but they would much rather hire someone who makes less than me because they can save a few cents an hour and hope I quit. screw promoting me into management knowing how to do the basic tasks of a store well where I don't need a manager around constantly, well I do refer SCs to them all the time since screw it they will have to come over anyways and I don't get paid enough to give a flying fuck anymore, so yes that $1-3 more an hour than me you make means when you work with me you get the bullshit.

[Rantsylvania 6-5000]

As someone said in a conversation I had a little while ago "there's no company loyalty anymore because companies have no loyalty".

Damn right! Also, I think at-will employment makes it way too easy for companies to be this way. I'm sick of working for employers who like to remind you how easily you can be replaced.

I couldn't agree more. I make minimum wage plus .25 cents, after a year of work. I might get another raise, I am very good at my job because I don't get many drive offs, I know how to stop scammers in their tracks but they would much rather hire someone who makes less than me because they can save a few cents an hour and hope I quit. screw promoting me into management knowing how to do the basic tasks of a store well where I don't need a manager around constantly, well I do refer SCs to them all the time since screw it they will have to come over anyways and I don't get paid enough to give a flying fuck anymore, so yes that $1-3 more an hour than me you make means when you work with me you get the bullshit.

If it weren't for the hard-working front-line people who keep these businesses running, they wouldn't be where they are now! They aren't successful because of the executives, they're successful because of the workers! But all they ever do is try to bleed more and more work out of each employee, while gradually taking away bonus programs.

I agree with just sending the SCs to management in the first place, instead of arguing with them about the policies. The manager usually just gives them what they want anyhow, why give the SC a chance to get smug with me?

Also, can somebody tell me why the new hires are sent to me to be trained? I thought that was part of the manager's job too, and why they get the higher pay.

[protege]

Also, can somebody tell me why the new hires are sent to me to be trained? I thought that was part of the manager's job too, and why they get the higher pay.

Uh, because that would mean the manager would actually have to do something...instead of sitting on their ass and playing Solitaire

[insertNameHere]

Uh, because that would mean the manager would actually have to do something...instead of sitting on their ass and playing Solitaire

Actually, part of being a manager is delegating tasks to your employees to empower them to make better decisions..... so you can then sit on your ass and play Solitaire and go outside for multiple smoke breaks refusing any sort of break to your peons

[Talon]

Uh, because that would mean the manager would actually have to do something...instead of sitting on their ass and playing Solitaire

As M*A*S*H's Frank Burns put it:
"I'm a supervisor! I don't have to be useful!"

[ExRetailDrone]

Also, can somebody tell me why the new hires are sent to me to be trained? I thought that was part of the manager's job too, and why they get the higher pay.

I hated this when I worked at The Bullseye. Not too long after I started there, I was made a 'peer trainer'. I really didn't do anything, but every now and then I would get a new hire sent to me for 'training' (if that's what you can call it, nobody was really trained at that place after a while). As I got more and more embittered with the poor treatment by management toward all of us peons, I would use these training sessions to my advantage. I would show the new hire the way things were supposed to be done, but then I would show them how most people actually did things so as to do as little work as possible while making it seem like everything is peachy. Start 'em young!

[smileyeagle1021]

ERD, I do that at the hotel too when I'm training someone... first I show them the way management wants it done... then I show them the correct way to do it

[Peppergirl]

ERD, I do that at the hotel too when I'm training someone... first I show them the way management wants it done... then I show them the correct way to do it

So much WORD to this.

We have people do the official training, and then we (me and my co-workers) have to re-train the person to perform the duties that happen in REAL life.

It really, really sucks. And wastes soooo much freakin' time.

[smileyeagle1021]

Pepper, it's not so much a matter of real life versus training land... it's just that the way management wants it done is a massive waste of time.
Things like they want us to take every reg card that has checked out during the day and check it in the computer to make sure that the person is at a zero balance at check out (ie they've paid the right amount). This could easily take over half an hour depending on how many people checked out. Now, there is a way to do it that takes 30 seconds, all you need to do is tell the computer to print a departure list with balances, ey viola, you have a list of every person who checked out and what their balance was at checkout.
For the bucket check, they want us to manually check in the computer that each room has a credit card on file, I think you know where this is going though, yup, there is another report that does that, just ask the computer for a detailed guest list and it will show you every room with its rate and payment information.

Of course, something that hasn't been mentioned yet with company loyalty, that I'm kind of surprised hasn't been mentioned, is the companies who expect customer loyalty just as much as they expect employee loyalty.
Comcast is a great example, they were shocked, just shocked that a loyal customer like me could leave them (I was with them for just over a year... apparently that is loyalty by their standards). They just couldn't comprehend that someone would be displeased by service that was no longer reliable and techs who had no clue what they were doing continually fucking up my service even more. They figured I was a loyal customer and should stay as such.

[Rantsylvania 6-5000]

What about companies that expect your full availability, but only give you part-time hours? They punish, fire, or refuse to hire you if you have another job, but won't let you make enough money at their place to give up the other job!

[daleduke17]

ERD, I do that at the hotel too when I'm training someone... first I show them the way management wants it done... then I show them the correct way to do it

When I worked at the grocery store I told the junior employees this: "There's the right way to do the job, the Kroger way to do the job and my way to do the job. The Kroger way is ignorant, the right way is decent and my way gets better results than the other two and takes less time."

Guess which way stuff usually got done.

[blas87]

Yeah, when we've had slow times at the factory (not in recent times) where a lot of people have gotten 2nd part time jobs to make up for no overtime allowed at the factory, and they've been screwed over by their 2nd job and end up having to quit there.

Big example here....one of my old friends used to have a second job at a clearance type retail store just part time, afternoons and weekends because she worked 3rd shift full time Sun-Thurs nites at the factory. It started out all fine and dandy, until her second job started scheduling her later into the night to where she'd almost be late (or once or twice was late!) getting to the factory or sometimes they'd up her hours to almost full time at the store, and she was completely wiped. Then they had the GALL to try and make her choose. Gee, who wins, the full time job with benefits, or the part time almost minimum wage second job?