things I love- karmic justice

[Red Panda]

I read Vincent Bugliosi's book where he describes how Manson called the police pigs. I realize the book might not be as accurate or in depth as wikipedia but trust me it is there.


Please note that the use of the word pigs predates the White Album and is one of the coincidentes that confirmed his beliefs

[Greenday]

I read Vincent Bugliosi's book where he describes how Manson called the police pigs. I realize the book might not be as accurate or in depth as wikipedia but trust me it is there.


Please note that the use of the word pigs predates the White Album and is one of the coincidentes that confirmed his beliefs

So because Manson called police pigs, everyone that refers to any cops at all = Manson? Is that what you are trying to say?

[Peppergirl]

So because Manson called police pigs, everyone that refers to any cops at all = Manson? Is that what you are trying to say?

OR - the fact that certain gangs call cops PIGS, that means everyone who calls a cop a PIG is actually wanting them dead?

I respect (most) law enforcement. But even I have been known to utter "Mmmmm, I smell bacon" when a cop is following me. Does this mean I want to kill cops? No. It certainly does not.

[Red Panda]

Just because you are fine with something it doesn't mean cops or those who have cops as loved ones agree with the term or can't find it offensive. If somebody calls you a certain name while threatening or attempting to kill you then you probably wouldn't like being called that name

[Peppergirl]

Just because you are fine with something it doesn't mean cops or those who have cops as loved ones agree with the term or can't find it offensive. If somebody calls you a certain name while threatening or attempting to kill you then you probably wouldn't like being called that name

Now you're reaching. I never said cops couldn't take offense at being called a 'pig' or having the 'bacon' thing uttered.

I'm actually pretty good friends with a number of officers, several of which just laugh when part of the group oinks at them.

It's also a huge difference between uttering these words in jest when a cop if following, and screaming the word 'PIG' whilst brandishing a weapon and attempting to kill an officer.

There's a HUGE grey area, Panda. You seem to see things in black and white, which is definitely your perogative, but there's soooo many situations in life that aren't going to fall into your neat little compartments.

[Nyoibo]

There's a HUGE grey area, Panda. You seem to see things in black and white, which is definitely your perogative, but there's soooo many situations in life that aren't going to fall into your neat little compartments.

They do if you use a big enough hammer.

[Peppergirl]

They do if you use a big enough hammer.

Or crowbar?

[smileyeagle1021]

Red Panda, may I point out, even my black and white worldview that Christianity and homosexuality can not be reconciled still leaves room for individuals to be open minded and able to reconcile even if the faith as a whole can't.

[Red Panda]

Now you're reaching. I never said cops couldn't take offense at being called a 'pig' or having the 'bacon' thing uttered.

I'm actually pretty good friends with a number of officers, several of which just laugh when part of the group oinks at them.

It's also a huge difference between uttering these words in jest when a cop if following, and screaming the word 'PIG' whilst brandishing a weapon and attempting to kill an officer.

There's a HUGE grey area, Panda. You seem to see things in black and white, which is definitely your perogative, but there's soooo many situations in life that aren't going to fall into your neat little compartments.

Just because you or someone else thinks something is okay it doesn't mean its not offensive to other people. Officers who aren't in low crime rural areas and have to take their job much more seriously demand and deserve respect and shouldn't be called a name in jest that somebody else is using as a threat.

[lupo pazzesco]

Just because you or someone else thinks something is okay it doesn't mean its not offensive to other people. Officers who aren't in low crime rural areas and have to take their job much more seriously demand and deserve respect and shouldn't be called a name in jest that somebody else is using as a threat.

Normally, I try desperately not to cross thread topics but in this case, I'd like to point out one thing, which reeks of hypocrisy. You say that just because one person thinks a term is ok doesn't mean it isn't offensive to others. Yet, in your fat people thread, you're calling ALL fat people farm animals, smelly, disgusting, etc.

HOW is this different than calling ALL cops 'pigs' as a gross overgeneralization? Is it more offensive because of the profession? Yes, police officers do a dangerous job, and have the responsibility to keep people safe, but just like fat people, there are good ones and there are some not so good ones. Just because YOU think it's ok to call all fat people smelly and disgusting, doesn't mean it isn't offensive to other people. In this thread, you completely contradicted you're entire argument for fat people smell. Further, you argued that it's based off of your experiences with fat people. What's to stop someone from saying all police officers are pigs because that's been their experience? I am trying really hard to see the validity in the points your making, but essentially, there are two completely different bases for the arguments, and to argue for one nullifies the other, so could you please clarify? I'm not saying it's right or wrong to call police officers pigs. I'm not even going to touch on the groundless claims that it means cop killers, but I'm really, really confused over here. Little help, please?

Back on topic: I, too, am pleased to see the wheels of justice turning ever so slowly. A hate crime is a hate crime, and the way the entire case was (mis)managed makes me sick.

[smileyeagle1021]

Officers who aren't in low crime rural areas and have to take their job much more seriously demand and deserve respect and shouldn't be called a name in jest that somebody else is using as a threat.

Pepper, do you want to take this one or should I, either way, I've already started laughing.

[blas87]

This is just amusing. How can a person be so hell bent that all fat people are lazy slobs who don't bathe or dress properly, but all cops deserve respect and how dare you call them pigs?

[KnitShoni]

Officers who aren't in low crime rural areas and have to take their job much more seriously demand and deserve respect and shouldn't be called a name in jest that somebody else is using as a threat.

What does this mean? Are you saying officers who are in low crime rural areas don't take their job seriously?

[AdminAssistant]

I'm sorry, but the words "rural" and "low crime" don't belong together. I lived in a rural area for 18 years, and there's a lot more crime than you think. Hundreds of meth labs scattered out in the countryside, and drunk driving is practically a sport. And, yes, there are murders, kidnappings, rapes, etc. at a rather high rate considering the low population. More often than not, the "good ol' boy" system is keeping the reported crime rates down. When my father had his horrible car wreck back in the 70's (broke his neck, pelvis, one leg, nearly died), the first officer on the scene just happened to be a childhood friend and threw away the empty whiskey bottles in his truck. More recently, a rich kid crashed his truck (nearly killed his girlfriend), and the deputy made sure all the meth lab equipment in the back "disappeared." Of course, that was the same guy that was caught stealing artifacts from a Native American burial mound.

[Peppergirl]

Pepper, do you want to take this one or should I, either way, I've already started laughing.

The only thing I have to say (since I thnk it was directly related to my post) is that Cincinnati, where I live, is not exactly rural OR low-crime.

And like AA said (and sited some GREAT examples), rural areas are CLEARLY not immune to crime. At all.