NAZI Moderators!!!

[crazeyal]

I wasn't going to do this.

REALLY.

I was gonna sit out my month's suspension, because.. BFD.. I can still read the posts and not being able to reply "me too" doesn't really bother me..

But it's STILL HAPPENING!!!

You have the "niceness police" who happen to be hypocrites, as moderators.

You are not allowed to say "you are WRONG", or even " I don't think you should have said that." without getting rebuked.

I have no idea the amount of problems that occurred to get to the current amount of uber-control that you need at CS.com.. but
WHAT
THE
FUCK????

You fascists just closed this thread...


WHAT THE FUCK FOR?!?!??!

With every unnecessary interruption, with every droning repetition it has been BLASTED "take it to Fratching"

AND THEN YOU CLOSE THE THREAD?!?!?

This goes beyond the typical hypocrisy and self aggrandizing that the normal moderator response gives. This is ABUSIVE


If you do not recognize this fact... you should probably have a swastika on your arm.

Now kindly close this thread and give me points/warnings/ban me for DARING to speak up.

JACKYLS...

[crazylegs]

The rules are there, both on cs and here. Neither is suitable for personal attacks (hence the reason why the fratching post was closed) nor is cs the forum for any type of contencious issue.

If you don't like the rules don't post.

[SportinGoods]

"I have one request for those who think saying "oorah" in a funny or insulting ironic way is cool or the thing to do:

Shut The Fuck Up. Please. It's not funny, it's not cool. It's insulting and degrading, and it makes you look like an ass backwards Rhesus Monkey.

I got bashed for sharing my views of it on CS.com. If you moderators want to bash me here too, then go for it. Dare I eevr protect the reputation of a military branch I got my ass kicked to serve."

The above post is a pretty decent response, as I can see how this would be a personal attack on someone. I'd like to offer another view on the topic.

This kind of statement isn't one that can really be debated or argued. If it was something brought up for debate it would have been presented as "I really hate when people say/make fun of 'Oorah' when they don't know what it means" When it really says, "You cant use the word if you aren't enlisted in the military, if you do, your a farking idiot"

It's a double edged sword, if one argues that the word is perfectly acceptable to the non-military public then they are attacked for not taking into account the blood sweat and tears that accompany the word. If one argues that the word isn't acceptable, then your appealing to one part of the population, and thus making them special among the masses of the internet.

Ultimately it's up to mods to weigh these decisions, and if I read correctly in past posts, it's not a democracy. There are other forums out there on the great intarweb that I'm sure are full of discussions about this particular word, and I can almost guarantee, scratch that, I DO guarantee that those arguments don't go anywhere. Meaning, they don't accomplish a point, or reveal some truth about the implications it has in society today. There are opposing points of view and there are no persuasive arguments to woo one side over to the other. Horse, dead, beating. Is all that comes to mind.

[Seshat]

I'm not gbm, and he's the only person who knows precisely why he closed the thread. But crazylegs and SportinGoods probably have the right of it.

I will say that the very title of the other thread looks like it's intended to be contentious rather than 'discussion'y: the person who expressed ignorance of the term oorah was me. Darth knows perfectly well that I'm Australian, and it's mentioned in my location section in my header.

I know the tradition of the slouch hat, and of the very specific type of badge that pins it up. I know other traditions of the Australian military. I do not have an encyclopedic knowledge of the traditions of the military of other nations in the world, nor do I think I should be expected to. Ignorance is not disrespect.

Anyway, I strongly suspect that the crazylegs and SportinGoods are right about gbm's intent.

I also strongly suggest that you (crazeyal) request a change in the title of this thread. Godwin's law, good taste and accuracy would all suggest that you change it. After all, you're in no danger of being tossed into a concentration camp.

Oh. And the scavenger is a jackal. The fictional scientist is Jekyll. I'm not sure which you intended.

[DarthRetard]

Actually Seshat, the thread was not about you at all, and I'm terribly sorry you got that impression, I really am. The thread truly was intended for Jester, and I was a bit pissed off, I'll admit, that he insulted my corps twice, and that when i come over here, I make a post, in the forum "Things I Hate" make a post about something I HATE, and get the thread shut down, and get moderated poster status. I got hate email from a couple of posters now, and now I'm pretty much vilified.

[Saydrah]

Am I really the only one who's noticed the enormous farking hypocrisy of Darth's taking offense at the use of a word without attaching the appropriate value to its past use? I never really took issue with his username before, because I simply presumed that he isn't the type of person to attach great symbolic value to words-- I said my piece here, he didn't respond, he's on here plenty, so obviously he doesn't care and I won't waste my keystrokes trying to make him change the entire way he views language.

But suddenly when it's a word used jokingly that offends HIM, that has been involved in the sacrifice of lives in a group that HE is part of, the moderators are expected to step in and stop another member from casually tossing it out there as a tongue in cheek remark? Guess language DOES have symbolic value and the power to cause harm after all.

So, DarthRETARD, until you find a username that doesn't make light of a term that is still, to this day, regularly used to dehumanize people and excuse violence against them, I have zero sympathy for your need to keep the word "oorah" reserved for those who have served.

That said, I do appreciate those who serve in the armed forces. My grandfather served in WWII and as I watch the hospice people help him with his end of life decisions I am sad not for him, having lived a long life and quite ready to join his wife, but for the future generations who will never hear his war stories first hand. So, I don't want anyone thinking I simply don't respect the military. I just don't respect hypocrites.

ETA: Darth, I PMed you politely to express this same opinion since I couldn't post it in your thread. I hope you did not construe my PM- rewritten twice so as to ensure I showed adequate sensitivity and respect to your military service- as hate email. Considering that you are a high school debate coach, I doubt that you're referring to me, as your training would doubtless include the difference between hate and respectful disagreement.

[horror]

Am I really the only one who's noticed the enormous farking hypocrisy of Darth's taking offense at the use of a word without attaching the appropriate value to its past use?

[snip]

But suddenly when it's a word used jokingly that offends HIM, that has been involved in the sacrifice of lives in a group that HE is part of, the moderators are expected to step in and stop another member from casually tossing it out there as a tongue in cheek remark? Guess language DOES have symbolic value and the power to cause harm after all.

Oh snap.
You know, I was thinking the very same thing as you, Saydrah. Now I've never been one to personally take offense to words, or even really notice them - unless they're being purposely, and obviously, used in an offensive manner - but the irony of the nature of the post, coupled with his username, was too much for me to NOT be punched in the face by it.

I understand his point, but I can't help but feel that it loses some of its credibility, due to the fact that he's taken a word that holds certain connotations and used it in such a manner.
It's exactly the same as people using oorah with other meanings and connotations.

I as well hope no one thinks of me as anti-military. I'm not from the US, but I do have the utmost respect for their armed forces.
On top of that my grandfather is a WWII vet, my brother is in the navy, and my boyfriend is in the army.

Edited due to the fact that upon re-reading my comment, "nullified" was definitely the wrong word to use.

[DarthRetard]

You guys are indeed missing the point. Yes, I apologize for the insult that my username may give off, and heck, when I find a good one, I'll change it. It was just the first thing that popped into my head. I don't think you understand hypocrisy though, and where are the mods when im getting beaten over the head right now? Huh? Nazi moderators is right Crazeyal. There's a hierarchy here, and we all see it now.

My point was that he(jester) was PURPOSELY insulting the marine corps. I havent made any snide remarks about people with mental disabilities, or anything like that. Go look up something before you label someone with such a tone.

[Spiffy McMoron]

You know what I hate? When people use the word "Nazi" to describe anything that they see as evil. Only a fool would argue that Nazis were sunshine and giggles, but what's wrong with using the following to describe evil?

-Communist
-Feudal
-Ugandan
-Canadian
-French
-American
-Spanish
-Christian
-Colonialist
-Mercantilism

Well, as least the Khmer Rouge had a song written about them, so I guess I'm not 100% accurate.

[Saydrah]

I think the "Why is Communism Bad" thread addresses that first one, but the rest, yeah, I see your point

[Rapscallion]

and where are the mods when im getting beaten over the head right now? Huh?

Well, I haven't seen a report button being hit, but I do see you attacking others quite merrily, and then claiming that you're being attacked when people react in the same way as you do, but from the other direction. We're also more lenient on what happens on this board.

You've had hate mail from other members? There's a hint there. Maybe, just maybe, your actions are anathema to them.

Hierarchy? Damn right there is. Since I took over it's been a Rapocracy. I pay for the place, I say what goes. Play nice and you can stay in the sandpit as much as you want. Stop playing nice we'll want you to leave, but we'll drop hints first. I'm not forcing you to stay - you are.

Rapscallion

[DarthRetard]

I never attacked anyone as a person, I attacked that person's statement. That's the point that's being missed here. You can all go fuck yourselves. I'm done with this board and the people who support the assholes who run it.

[Spiffy McMoron]

You guys are indeed missing the point. Yes, I apologize for the insult that my username may give off, and heck, when I find a good one, I'll change it. It was just the first thing that popped into my head. I don't think you understand hypocrisy though, and where are the mods when im getting beaten over the head right now? Huh? Nazi moderators is right Crazeyal. There's a hierarchy here, and we all see it now.

My point was that he(jester) was PURPOSELY insulting the marine corps. I havent made any snide remarks about people with mental disabilities, or anything like that. Go look up something before you label someone with such a tone.

I've read the thread in question. Jester was not insulting the Marines. His big issues was he simply did not want his niece dating a 21-year-old. The fact that he was a Marine was an issue, insofar as Jester was worried that NG (to use the terms from the thread) might be pressured by his buddies to disrespect Jester's niece. Jester met NG, liked him and thought he was nice, but was still nervous about the situation. Overanxious, to be sure, but insulting? I don't think so.

Several people have mentioned--in this thread and the other--that they have nothing but the utmost respect for the Marines and for the member's of their own countries armed forces. I'm no exception to this; I have a profound respect and gratitude for those that have, are, or will join the Canadian Armed Forces.

As for the "Nazi Moderator" tag, I have a couple of points:

1) Fratching was a place designed to have less involvement from moderating staff, to initiate discussion and debate that would not be present on CS.
2) There are several people who would like a looser moderating style on CS. Fair enough. But one of the reasons why many people love CS is because we don't allow flaming and troll baiting. When we (the moderating team) try to loosen up a bit, people start to report posts that were marginal, in an attempt to bring "order", for lack of a better word, back to the board.
3) See my previous post about Nazi as an adjective.
4) I'm failing to see why you seem so angry about there being a hierarchy. Darth, you were in the Marines, a place that thrives on hierarchy. I'm not saying hierarchy is a good or bad thing, but it does seem...unusual...that you're so against it.

[Seshat]

Actually Seshat, the thread was not about you at all, and I'm terribly sorry you got that impression, I really am.

Apology accepted. I withdraw my previous objections, since they were unfounded.

Thank you.

[AFPheonix]

This is how I feel about this thread.