NAZI Moderators!!!

[Rapscallion]

I'm trying to work out if that's good or bad. I mean, I'm seeing the underwear of an apparently attractive girl, so...

Rapscallion

[Rapscallion]

I never attacked anyone as a person, I attacked that person's statement.

Huh? Nazi moderators is right Crazeyal.

Try reading what you wrote before writing about it.

Rapscallion

[ArenaBoy]

I never attacked anyone as a person, I attacked that person's statement. That's the point that's being missed here. You can all go fuck yourselves. I'm done with this board and the people who support the assholes who run it.

I've never had problems with you but I'm posting this again for this reason: We had an asshole on a Chelsea forum come on here and attacked everybody who disagreed with him. Everybody. One mod who's known for being harsh posted this. So allow me to post this again:

This forum is not a democracy. Its a dictatorship. We make sure the threads and posts run on time. I don't even claim to be particularly benevolent.
However, we are not without sympathy. If you wish to rail against the perceived injustices done to you, you may do so from somewhere else. Because, like it or not, you don't have any "freedom" or "democracy" here. This isn't an organized system of government. Its a community. Its a community that has evolved over a long number of years. Some members have come and some have gone. But it remains. And if you want to be a part of that, you should play by its rules. And if you don't, then no one forces you to post here.

You have two choices. You can take part in our little totalitarian message board (Hail Grimes!) that has served us so well over the past half decade (or more!) and act in a manner that people find tolerable. It does mean not disagreeing - it means disagreeing respectfully. Your other option, is to demand that everyone else changes to accomodate you. Which you're entitled to try, of course, though I suspect you won't obtain the result you're looking for.

Read it, and take it into consideration. I've never had a problem with you. But this is out of line.

Am I really the only one who's noticed the enormous farking hypocrisy of Darth's taking offense at the use of a word without attaching the appropriate value to its past use?

If the mods didn't like it, they would've have asked him to change his name. He's been here for a while and they've never had a problem with it. And read up the origins of retard. You'd be surprised.

Man people need a thick skin at times and this is one of them.

[Saydrah]

Did I ask if the mods gave a crap about his username? No. I know they don't. I may disagree with their choice to permit the widespread use of that word on CS, but they're the mods, I'm not, and I'm here bitching about the people who choose to use it, not the mods who decided to allow it. If I don't like the moderation here, I'll leave. Simple enough.

I asked if anyone else has noticed that he's being a hypocrite.

Re: Word Origins

Faggot originally meant "a bundle of sticks" and Fag in some areas means "a cigarette." Should we start letting everyone say faggot as an insult without calling them hateful? Does the fact that its origins are benign make Matthew Shepard any less dead? A word used to promote hate and violence is not an appropriate insult, no matter what its origins. If I started going around punching people with brown hair and calling them "Cocoa Muffins," for me, cocoa muffins would be hate speech, and if it spread across the country, it would be inappropriate to use "cocoa muffins" as a casual insult, and disrepectful to those hurt for being "cocoa muffins."

[AFPheonix]

I'm trying to work out if that's good or bad. I mean, I'm seeing the underwear of an apparently attractive girl, so...

Rapscallion

It's a visual of someone with their panties in a bunch
Which is about all this thread is, and it needs a virtual butt picking.

As to the whole premise that people don't have respect for military service people?
Seriously?
Color me stupid, but it's probably far less pc to be hating on military than it is to hate on blacks. Grow up and grow a pair.

[ArenaBoy]

Did I ask if the mods gave a crap about his username? No. I know they don't. I may disagree with their choice to permit the widespread use of that word on CS, but they're the mods, I'm not, and I'm here bitching about the people who choose to use it, not the mods who decided to allow it. If I don't like the moderation here, I'll leave. Simple enough.

I asked if anyone else has noticed that he's being a hypocrite.

No sign of hypocrisy from what I can see.

Re: Word Origins

Faggot originally meant "a bundle of sticks" and Fag in some areas means "a cigarette." Should we start letting everyone say faggot as an insult without calling them hateful? Does the fact that its origins are benign make Matthew Shepard any less dead? A word used to promote hate and violence is not an appropriate insult, no matter what its origins. If I started going around punching people with brown hair and calling them "Cocoa Muffins," for me, cocoa muffins would be hate speech, and if it spread across the country, it would be inappropriate to use "cocoa muffins" as a casual insult, and disrepectful to those hurt for being "cocoa muffins."

The English language changes on a constant basis. Add the fact that there are numerous regions that speak it and it's own differences. I would suggest doing what France does and have a institution dedicated to the English language but there'd be so many headaches it's not even funny. And see my comment on the other thread.

[gbm85]

crazeyal, you obviously have trouble with reading comprehension.

If you would read my post in that thread, you would clearly see that I was closing it because of personal attacks.

DarthRetard has said himself it was directed at Jester. Therefore, the command "Shut the fuck up" is a personal attack on another member.

Members do not bring up problems with the moderators in public. Ever. Not even on Fratching. I'm assuming Raps is allowing this thread to continue because both sides obviously need to get this off their chests.

That is why the thread was closed.

Fratching is not a free-for-all. It is a relaxed site intended for debate and controversial topics. It is not, however, an "anything goes" site.

I think the fact that a thread was closed on Fratching (for the first time, as far as I know) should tell you something about the person who started that thread.

[Greenday]

I was tempted to just stay out of this one, but you know what? I like the mods here. I like them a lot. I have been on CS since I was 15. Now, in the four years I've been around, I didn't agree with everything the mods did. But if there's one thing I can be sure of, it's that they've been fair.

gbm already posted why the other thread was closed down. The entire thread was a personal attack. And the threads are not meant for personal attacks. Fratchings is to discuss controversial topics that are inappropriate on CS.

Oh, one more thing: I agree with Raps, the only thing I saw was a girl with underwear riding up her ass. Thanks for the webpage!

[BookstoreEscapee]

I would suggest doing what France does and have a institution dedicated to the English language but there'd be so many headaches it's not even funny.

Would never work. The English language is a word-whore and proud of it. For good or ill (have you seen some of the "words" that have been added to the Oxford English Dictionary in recent years?) - along with the great pleasure we sometimes get a rash....


[/ot - continue with your argument]

[Ree]

Man...I go to work for a day and miss all the fun.

I find it interesting that this whole mess began over a misunderstanding and offense that was taken due to the misuse of a simple phrase.

Language is a funny thing.
Let's dissect, shall we?

Nazi moderators?
Hmm

Na·zi (nät'sē, năt'-) n., pl. -zis.
1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.
adj.
Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
[German, short for Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei, National Socialist German Workers' Party.]

I'm a Roman Catholic with conservative leanings, but fairly liberal overall.

"I am not now, nor ever have been, to the best of my recollection, a member of the nazi party, sir!"

Do I have an opinion about the way the CS forum should be run that might ruffle the feathers of those who feel free speech should reign supreme and every post is a free-for-all like some of those other lesser quality sites where anything and everything goes?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do!

I have reread Jester's posts several times. I still don't see how DarthRetard could have taken it as an insult to the Marine Corps.

His main concern was that, being 21 and a Marine, the young man would be a lot more experienced in the ways of the world than his 17 year old niece.

He jokingly said that, if the guy gave him any reason to, he would hurt him, Marine or not!!

As a last thought, he added a phrase that is synonymous with the marines, "oorah"

That was seen as an insult and taking a valued phrase in vain.

In an effort to understand why "oorah" evoked such strong reactions, I wanted to find out what it meant.

Interesting, but the history of that word only goes back about 50 years.

Prior to that, marines did not use that term at all.

Even now, there are mixed feelings about it.

I came across a Marine Corps message board in my search.

It has its origins in the "Aarugha" noise that the klaxon alarm makes when the subs are diving:
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn20...hlight=2,Oorah

DarthRetard made it seem like all Marines would die defending their right to utter that call, but the board I saw was very heavily against the use of that word, and many found it distasteful or silly.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/52192...esponse%20Here!

Those are just opinions, though. Everyone is entitled to theirs.

If other Marines aren't getting bent out of shape about an "attack" on that phrase, then I am left scratching my head at how this whole mess got so out of hand so quickly.

As to the OP here, crazeyal, you are correct that we direct the members to fratching repeatedly.
This site does give more leeway, but we still expect there to be some measure of respect.

I am not the mod who closed the thread, but I can tell you that having the member come over here and make a post telling people who joke about that phrase to "Shut The Fuck Up," was not how this site was intended to be used.

There are ways to get the point across without resorting to vulgar rants and profanity.

Furthermore, an accusation was made that the mods were attacking Darth as well.
For the record, I PM'ed him and told him to use the report button if he had a problem with the way Jester had worded his posts.
If that's attacking, then I stand guilty, apparently.

Nobody owes you an explanation, crazeyal, but since you decided to post this rant that was designed to cause controversy and piss off some mods, I figured it wouldn't kill to offer some explanation.

I am sorry you are upset with the way the moderating is being done.

If you would kindly fill out the proper forms, we will refund your membership fees and remove you from our mailing list.

Whoops, my bad....there is no membership fee, and you came here freely, and of your own accord.
Well colour me embarrassed.

[Seshat]

If the mods didn't like it, they would've have asked him to change his name.

Actually, quite a few members have usernames I don't like. How someone else chooses to express themselves is none of my business, as long as it's worksafe and isn't clearly an attack on someone else. Other mods have different criteria, but I'm pretty sure we all have those two.

(BTW: If we don't pick up on something that should be moderated, please let us know!)


As for the English language: it follows other languages down dark alleys, clubs them on the head, and goes through their pockets for spare grammar.

(I wish I could claim that as my own, alas, it's my memory of a quote. Google isn't kind enough to give me an authoritative original, either. My google-fu is weak today.)

[blas87]

AMEN, Ree!

I will like to flat out admit, I am the person (unless someone else did it too) who reported the post on CS.com. I'm hoping Darth learns next time to not be afraid of the report button.

Mods, just like CSRs and employees where we work, are not psychic (well sometimes I think Ree and Raps are ) and they won't know something is wrong until it's brought up!

[myswtghst]

I've found so many things to respond to on here, I just don't know where to start. I've only been around for a year or so, but I really do appreciate the way things are moderated around here, and on CS.com as well. I've been "warned" once that something I posted might be taken the wrong way, thanks to a PM from Ree, was able to have open discourse with her about it, and modify my post/respond in a way to make my point clearer. To me, that seems like quite awesome moderating. *shrugs*

I am yet another with ample respect for the Armed Forces - my grandpa was a Marine, and one of my bestest friends is in the Navy, just to mention a few of the people I love and respect who are involved. But I have to agree that Darth got a bit out of hand back over on CS.com. I did not see where Jester "insulted" Marines. I believe he made a point, which Darth concurred with, that Marines might be more mature - take that as you will. Jester has every right to be concerned with who his niece dates, even if we mostly didn't agree with him - heck, half of us spent that thread calling him the hypocrite!

I'm grateful to be a part of this community, which doesn't allow personal attacks on other members. I'd rather watch my mouth occasionally, and be respectful, while not worrying about defending myself constantly, than be somewhere that's a free for all, or is overly mod-ed due to bad behavior. And besides - this place is Raps' - he can do whatever he likes with it, and we should just be grateful he gives us a place to connect and run our mouths.

[crazylegs]

and I was a bit pissed off, I'll admit, that he insulted my corps twice,

Darth,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...npolice206.xml

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=1055

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/disp...entPK=19737918

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...npolice126.xml

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=1110

The above links are merely a tiny handful of the constant, ever present negative press surrounding my job. Do I take it personally, do I feel the need to reply to each person, no on both counts. What I do is I go out there and I do my job, I do it well and I do it consistently.

By being good at my job that is by far the best way that people will be convinced about what I do. Does all this negative press get to me, occasionally, but I knew there was negative press when I joined, in the same way I'm sure you knew there are some people who have a less than perfect vision of the USMC.

I guess what I am trying to say is I think you're being a bit too thin skinned about this, there will always be someone you find who will say something you don't like about the Corps, in whatever way they do so, but reacting in the manner you did is perhaps not the best way to convince others that Marines aren't all hot headed.

(if you want to find more bad press about my job just head over to google and tap in PCSO and any negative adjective you can think of)

[powerboy]

I think attacking Darth is way out of line. He is sensitive about it, and he is expressing his thoughts about it. And he gets attacked. Yeah he could have done it a different way. But if something pisses you off real badly, then sometimes you just don't think.