Ass-Backwards Logic

[Greenday]

On another forum, we are debating Prop 8 being overturned. It was a chorus of "yays!" and "awesomes!" the first page. Then our two resident "I'm going to make Republicans look liberal" trolls showed up. The first troll shall be known as "F". The second troll shall be known as "P".

F showed up at the thread and claimed he didn't think marriages should receive tax benefits. Fine, I agree with that. It makes zero sense. As a result, he thinks gays shouldn't be allowed to marry. Um, what? If that's true, why is he only fighting to prevent gay marriage and not straight marriages either? And for...10 whole pages, that's what his argument was. P had no entered the debate yet.

Then F dropped the bombshell. Actually, this is the smaller bombshell. Since polygamy is illegal, gay marriage should be illegal too. Wtf? What does polygamy and gay marriage have in common? Nothing. So why would he bring polygamy up? It has zero relevance to the topic at hand. P came in at this point and started supporting everything F said, basically just repeating what was already said.

P decided to be original by suggesting that since gay marriage is now legal, they should legalize incest too. Again, wtf does incest have to do with gay marriage? Nothing! They aren't even related! (no pun intended)

F caught on with this and decided that since beastiality is illegal, gay marriage should be too.

It just blows my mind that these people are seriously trying to use this stuff as arguments. You know, if someone can come up with some reasonable logic that is relevant to what is being debated, I can concede the point. But an obvious apples to orange comparison has no place in a serious debate. They are saying "Since all A's and B's are wrong, all C's are wrong too" without showing ANY connection whatsoever between A's and B's with C's.

They also ignore every reason I give for why their arguments are wrong and just call me a bigot for not agreeing with them.

I should have stopped at trolls.

Don't turn this into an argument on gay marriage. Keep it on the topic of ass-backward logic in debates/fights. I will report every post that involves someone reasoning for or against gay marriage in this thread. I was using mine as an example. We have enough damn threads (it feels like we have a new one every day) on gay marriage. Topic = Fail Logic

[LexiaFira]

in their mind gay marriage is wrong, well since this is wrong too and illegal lets make that a connection to why gay marriage should be wrong. uh whatever
thats the only connection i can find even when none of what they threw out has anything to do with marriage period
that and they are ass backwards. cause their brain is in their butts and sitting on it for so long deprives the needed oxygen thus they have no logic. etc hehe

[Ghel]

I'm surprised they didn't bring up pedophilia, too. That seems to come up a lot in discussions of gay marriage and homosexuality, even though there's no relation between them.

[MaggieTheCat]

Oh, oh, I have a good one! My mom and I were just talking about how bass ackwards this logic is.

My grandparents (on my dad's side) are getting up there in the years. I think they're 89 and 91 or something. They're both sickly and we all know (them included) that they could pretty much go any day. They've talked to all their kids about their will and how they're dividing up their estate, and my mom and I think it's...backwards.

My dad has 2 siblings, a brother (L) and a sister (K.) L is married and has 3 kids, lives in a tiny little mudhole of a town and works as a carpenter, when he can get work (which is never, in the winter, so he has to do oddball jobs whenever he can get them.) His three kids are all out of HS now and trying to make it on their own. His oldest is a girl who is a single mom of a one year old baby, she's trying to go back to school and make it on her own but it's tough since she doesn't have any money. The two younger kids are boys and are both living at home trying to find jobs because they can't afford to move out on their own. Basically, the whole family is poor poor poor. They're honest and hard-working, they just are stuck in this dumpy little town with no jobs and don't have any money to get out.

K is single, always has been, always will be. She worked for some government agency until a few years ago when she retired. She is loaded. She had a cushy job and got paid lots of money for doing next to nothing. Now, she is a drunk and spends her retired days drinking beer and passing out in her kitchen. She has done next to nothing for my grandparents. She tried to help them a few years ago when they realized they couldn't live on their own anymore. But, she only lasted a couple of weeks before she wailed about how hard it was taking care of the and she couldn't do it, so my parents ended up taking care of my grandparents and getting them into assisted living. My parents have done so much for my grandparents and gave up a lot to help them. Yet, K is the favored child of the three (between my dad, K, and L.) L couldn't afford to do much since he lives a long ways away and is still working full-time (K and my dad are both retired.) My parents got no thanks of any kind from my grandparents for all the work they've done, while every time my parents talk to my grandparents, all they hear about is how wonderful K is.

So, my grandparents' will is divided up thusly: K is getting 50% of the estate and my parents and L are both getting 25%. The reasoning behind this is: Because K was never married and has nothing and no one in her life, she deserves more money than the two children who have families.

Um, what? This seems backwards to me. Please note, I'm not bringing this up because I'm greedy and I the only thing I want for myself and my family is money. My parents are pretty well off and my husband and I are doing well too so we don't need money. However, I do think L and his family could use money, so if it were skewed to one child, I think it should be in his favor, since he is by far the worst off financially of the three siblings. But, all that aside, I think that the reasoning of "K isn't married so she should have more money" is backwards. Wouldn't you think that the children who have the bigger families should get the bigger cuts?

[HYHYBT]

I would think all should get equal cuts, unless perhaps one has a clear need for a bigger share.


As for the OP, why the [hot place] are you looking for logic from trolls in the first place? Though I will say that the arguments are somewhat original: normally the proposed slippery slope runs the other way, from gay marriage through polygamy and incest and straight into bestiality. So partial credit for trying to turn it around, at least.

[crashhelmet]

The only thing I've ever seen linking the gay marriage debate to polygamy was a law that outlawed polygamy stated a marriage was between opposite genders, or described one, or something. I don't remember exactly what it was.

As for the OP tho, trolls and the ignorants of the world will simply find whatever excuse they can to justify their own beliefs, regardless of how asinine they may be.

Like the Conservatives that automatically bashed the "liberal" judge that overturned prop 8, who happened to actually be Republican and appointed by Papa Bush after Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats shot down Reagan's attempt to appoint him.

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[Rageaholic]

I can thank the fundies for the most ass backwards logic, which can all be found on FSTDT.

I remember one guy on youtube who said that by saying you don't think god cares about certain things that YOU are telling god what to do. Actually, according to Christian belief, god is the one telling us what to do! Assuming that's even what god wants, all we are doing is not doing what god says.

And like most extreme Christians, he had the nerve to act as if he knew exactly what god wanted, which by his same definition is telling god what to do! So if anyone was guilty of that, it was him!

Epic fail!

Another one I commonly hear when questioning the "justice" of eternal hellfire is bringing up Hitler and other evil dictaters. They completely ignore that according to their extreme beliefs, god sends people to hell over petty little things like "lust" and "pride". So in turn, they are comparing Hitler's massacre of millions of jews to every day mishaps. Again, epic fail.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

What gets me isn't so much the vapid no-brainers and trolls so much as the otherwise intelligent people who, for whatever reason, go off the deep end on a given topic.

Example:
I was arguing a point on an Airsoft forum (just wiki it if you feel like it) about pistols vs rifles, pointing out that rifles have larger capacities which play an important role and is probably a trade-off against the maneuverability of a pistol thus making them both equal if range isn't an issue (which it isn't, this being an all-indoor forum)

But no, these people insisted that the volume of fire from rifle users was a non-issue because they'd just flank them with a pistol! victory!

But, WTH stops me from flanking with my rifle? NOTHING! and obviously the volume of fire is an issue because you had to flank instead of just straight-up engage. ARGH!
But these people weren't stupid. Many of them were quite experienced players or current or former professional war-fighters.

[Red Panda]

If they are making a stupid argument for no reason other then to get somebody riled up then they are definitly a troll