Intruding Prudes

[KnitShoni]

As it has been pointed out by Plaidman and others, concerning some state's and city's indecency laws, Red Panda's actions may or may not be a crime. None of us know where she lives or the laws that she is under in that jurisdiction.

If she were in an area where being topless is ok, she would have been within her rights to tell them to piss off. She hasn't mentioned what the laws are where she lives, or what reply she gave, if any. Therefore, we can only respond based on what she's said and our own experiences. I'm thinking, in a lot of our experiences, she's lucky she only got talked to by her neighbors.

[Hobbs]

She lives in Wisconson.

Ok. What are Wisconsin's indecency laws?

Just because Red Panda is a member here, doesn't mean that we're all in agreement for her to be naked as a jailbird.

Just because there's majority disagreement with Red Panda doesn't mean that you can go and insult her endlessly. If She's bothering you that much, do what I do and put people on ignore.

[the_std]

Ok. What are Wisconsin's indecency laws?

From this site...

CHAPTER 944. CRIMES AGAINST SEXUAL MORALITY
Subchapter IV. Obscenity

944.20 Lewd and lascivious behavior.

(1) Whoever does any of the following is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor:

(a) Commits an indecent act of sexual gratification with another with knowledge that they are in the presence of others; or

(b) Publicly and indecently exposes genitals or pubic area.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a mother's breast-feeding of her child.

History: 1977 c. 173; 1983 a. 17; 1989 a. 31; 1995 a. 165.
"Publicly" is susceptible to a construction that will avoid the question of constitutional overbreadth, by limiting the application of the statute to constitutionally permissible goals of protecting children from exposure to obscenity and preventing assaults on the sensibilities of unwilling adults in public. Reichenberger v. Warren, 319 F. Supp. 1237 (1970).

[Amanita]

And if she's going out naked on her balcony where others can see her, then it sounds like she is breaking the law.

It certainly sounds like her neighbors are "unwilling adults", if they have complained about it.

Sorry Hobbs, but I don't think that what I said to RP counts as a personal insult. I pointed out how she was coming off with her remarks about people opposing her because their self image must be low.
To me, that comment of hers DOES come across in the same vein as "If you have a problem, then you all must be jealous", which I have heard many times, in response to many things.
I'm afraid that Panda really dug herself a hole- berating overweight people for smelling, not dressing well enough to meet her standards, being a drain on society because of their effect on others, and generally offending her sensibilities. Then turning around and showing an attitude that she can do as she pleases (being nude or topless where people can see) and that she does not care if anyone is offended.
She revealed a serious double standard and was called out on it.

[Greenday]

I'm afraid that Panda really dug herself a hole- berating overweight people for smelling, not dressing well enough to meet her standards, being a drain on society because of their effect on others, and generally offending her sensibilities. Then turning around and showing an attitude that she can do as she pleases (being nude or topless where people can see) and that she does not care if anyone is offended.
She revealed a serious double standard and was called out on it.

I honest to God don't see what one has to do with the other. One is not liking fat people. One is her saying she should be allowed to go out on the balcony of her own home naked. I'm guessing she considers her balcony private and people shouldn't be staring.

I'm with Hobbs, as I've mentioned, pointing out RP's arguments about not liking fat people is just attacking her. It doesn't have anything to do with this specific incident. And I reported it too awhile ago. You aren't alone Hobbs!

[Plaidman]

Not to mention, her main complaint on overweight people being a drain because of healthcare, she still has YET to response about drug users/alcolics.

Does she hate them just as much?

[Plaidman]

I honest to God don't see what one has to do with the other. One is not liking fat people. One is her saying she should be allowed to go out on the balcony of her own home naked. I'm guessing she considers her balcony private and people shouldn't be staring.

They are the same.

She's stating that people shouldn't be fat, because it makes her sick to the stomach that they dare to be fat, and they shouldn't do that.

Then, she stating she should do what she wants and other people shouldn't dare complain, or otherwise they are just jealous.

It's a double standard.

Ether she should agree that everyone should be reasonably aloud to do what makes them happy, or she should take her own advice, and not force her nudity upon others, like she doesn't want people's /fat/ to be forced on her.

[Greenday]

Not to mention, her main complaint on overweight people being a drain because of healthcare, she still has YET to response about drug users/alcolics.

Does she hate them just as much?

Seriously, do you guys even care about what this thread is about? You guys are better than this.

I swear, RP could start a thread about how she hates people who grunt loudly at the gym and somehow you guys would manage to make it about her hating fat people.

[Ladeeda]

Actually, the whole Fat thing started because RP claimed that she isn't fat and has no odd skin conditions that would (in her mind) make her unpleasant to see. And that people who are fat or have unattractive physical problems should cover up.

But she's not, so she shouldn't. Cause no one could possibly be offended by her nude self.

[Plaidman]

Seriously, do you guys even care about what this thread is about? You guys are better than this.

I swear, RP could start a thread about how she hates people who grunt loudly at the gym and somehow you guys would manage to make it about her hating fat people.

That would be different.

This thread is the fact that she herself, Could show her body off and should have no offenders.

On the same coin, she belives that people that are overweight should basically never leave the house.

Why is she allowed to show off her body, to whoever she wants, without their permission, but in her mind, overweight people are forbidden to do so?

What's the difference?

I'm seriously curious as to why she belives, that she can be naked in front of others without permission, but she refuses to grant the same rights to other people.

[Amanita]

^Plaidman, I think you've about summed up how I feel. That it is hypocritical to demand that others refrain from doing something to offend other's senses, such as being overweight and not covering up enough, while at the same time maintaining one's own right to do as they please, regardless of how it offends others.

Ladeeda, you've summed it up nicely as well.

[Red Panda]

You're not exacty privy to our PM's or texts now are you?

The only PM I have ever sent to a non-moderator was in responce to a person (not you) who attacked me there instead of where everybody could see.

[Plaidman]

The only PM I have ever sent to a non-moderator was in responce to a person (not you) who attacked me there instead of where everybody could see.

Wow.

Just. Wow.

Do you like, ever read anything here?

That was me, responding to linguist, who was responding something that I said to Hobbs.

That was never about you.

The world does NOT revolve around you.

[Red Panda]

That would be different.

This thread is the fact that she herself, Could show her body off and should have no offenders.

On the same coin, she belives that people that are overweight should basically never leave the house.

Why is she allowed to show off her body, to whoever she wants, without their permission, but in her mind, overweight people are forbidden to do so?

What's the difference?

I'm seriously curious as to why she belives, that she can be naked in front of others without permission, but she refuses to grant the same rights to other people.

I'm not showing off my body to whoever I want in this situation. In this situation I am only visible to those who stand in a certain part of the street at a certain part of the day (my balcony is not visible to most of the street) If I wanted to show off my body I would do so.

And if fat people want to show off their body they can. They just shouldn't because they should be ashamed. Like if somebody at the local tavern was bragging that he has sex with a 13 year old and didn't get in trouble. You can't technically stop them because they have the right to free speech but you should respond with repulsion at their action and lack of shame.

[Arcade Man D]

I'm not showing off my body to whoever I want in this situation. In this situation I am only visible to those who stand in a certain part of the street at a certain part of the day (my balcony is not visible to most of the street) If I wanted to show off my body I would do so.

And if fat people want to show off their body they can. They just shouldn't because they should be ashamed. Like if somebody at the local tavern was bragging that he has sex with a 13 year old and didn't get in trouble. You can't technically stop them because they have the right to free speech but you should respond with repulsion at their action and lack of shame.

You are still naked. In public. Put a robe on, wrap your towel around you, hell, even just underwear or a bikini. Being naked in readily public view (which, despite that only some areas of the street are able to see you, you are, as someone in the street could see you if they turned for whatever reason) is indecent exposure. You are violating a law, and someone asking you not to go outside naked is not "intruding", you're the one intruding.

This isn't a case of walking around the house naked with the blinds drawn, you're in view of a public street.